Dark Sable Breeding - Page 1

Hi everyone! We have one GSD breeding pair; our female is sable w/tan undercoat, and our previous male was the same color. Not surprising, their pups were all a similar sable color. I've since gotten a new male, all black, and their first pup (at 6 months) is much darker than our female's previous pups (sorry, I don't have an online photo site to share the picture). 

Is it usual for a black x sable to produce dark sable pups, or is there something about the sire/dam's genes that produced this dark sable boy?  Our male's paternal grandmother was a Russian black, so it it's true that there's a dominant black gene in those Russian dogs maybe he has that?

Here are a couple of older threads that contain information of interest

https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/community.read?post=944105-russian-bloodlines

 

https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/community.read?post=607513-the-dominant-black-gene

 

Hope this helps.

I do remember whenever I bred a solid black to black & tans or black & reds, the resulting puppies had darker red or tan pigment, which I believed came down from the solid black.

1. Read this http://www.arlett.de/sables/index.html

2. The black gene in the gsd is Recessive. If you choose to breed to a line that claims dominant black you are choosing  to breed to a line that was crossed either purposely or accidentally with a breed that carried the dominant black gene. Ex one lady in U.S. claiming to have a tested dominant black gsd bought her dog from a commercial kennel that also breeds retrievers that carry a dominant black. Hello not hard to figure it out it's called a fence jumper. And no you can not always  tell a cross bred litter. A friend had an oops gsd/lab litter. (relative caring 4 dogs screwed up). You never saw a nicer black lab litter. A less ethical  person could have easily passed them on as purebred. Works the other way sometimes too.

3. It concerns me that you have a "breeding pair" and appear not to understand basic color genetics in gsds. A stud fee is far cheaper than maintaining a male AND you get to breed your bitch to a dog or dogs that have been chosen to complement her and are accomplished.  Perhaps b4 continuing to breed you could consider actually learning about the breed FIRST. There have been numerous  threads on this db with suggestions about ways to go about that.