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Rexy

by Rexy on 11 January 2009 - 15:01

I am interested to know how effective a Shutzhund trained GSD would cope with family protection of an intruder???. The dog trained in specific routines for Shutzhund in the bite sleeve for example would be different circumstances to someone waving a knife in a routine that the dog is not experienced, an uncontrolled situation???. I am curious if a trained dog would have a greater instinct in removing the threat over non trained dog that posessed raw territorial aggression for strangers???.


Red Sable

by Red Sable on 11 January 2009 - 17:01

Just get your thief to put on a sleeve at the door...

Sorry, on a more serious note, ,,it really depends on the dog. Some sport dogs view it just as that, a sport, while some are more serious or civil. 

  If you have a loud barking territorial dog who is wary of strangers, he might just do the job as well,. Most of the time all you need is a deterent. 

I know my past male would have attacked a burgler.  We tried him on a sleeve at 3 yrs old, and he had a great bite,and great defence,  and I'm sure he would have bit without the sleeve.

 


animules

by animules on 11 January 2009 - 17:01

IMHO, it all depends on the specific dog.  This is not a yes or no question.


Mystere

by Mystere on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

I agree. Fortunately, I have had 2 sch-titled dogs who have demonstrated that they WILL bite/fight for real to protect me. Whether my pup will remains to be seen, but... One thing is that NONE of them has been equipment-oriented. If the helper drops the sleeve, or did not have one, he just gets bitten. Period. Even the pup has demonstrated that she is not a sleeve-sucker, so I think she would protect. Of course, the benefit of training is that the dog had an aus command to let go. The pet who protects with no training probably also has no command to let the intruder go when the cops arrive. :-)

by Bancroft on 11 January 2009 - 18:01

Have you seen this. A few sable GSDs on here.

www.schutzhundaustralia.com/

IMO SCH improves guarding ability compared to pet dog, but personal protection training improves skills for an actual encounter.

It really depends on how far you want the dog to go.

How FAR do you want the dog to go????

And why are you asking these questions?????


Rezkat5

by Rezkat5 on 11 January 2009 - 19:01

Thank god I've never had to find out!  My male is a sport dog in schutzhund, but is very loud and protective in the house/yard/car.  Whether or not he'd act for real, I don't know.  The only thing I've seen him do is push an unexpected person coming in, into a corner. I was there and pulled him off, so it didn't get to progress any further.  I do think that he'd be enough of a deterent for most yes.   My older girl when she was younger probably would have bitten someone if push came to shove.   My younger one I don't know.  She's got a little bit of an edge in schutzhund, but let's Ike do all the protecting in the house. 


Rexy

by Rexy on 12 January 2009 - 18:01

Bancroft, Schutzhund being a sport and not what I understand as personal protection training, considering the dog is trained in bite and experienced on the sleeve, if their training would kick in automatically to bite when faced with a threat. In Australia, Schutzhund or bite sleeve training of a dog is considered by the Authorities as a dangerous dog and is supposed to be recorded on the dog's licence with warning signs displayed where the dog resides.

It seems an overreaction to the potential danger of a Schutzhund trained dog where Authorities make the assumption that a dog trained on the sleeve is regarded as something lethal. It's an assumption that biting the sleeve comfirms that the dog does bite???.

 

 

 

 


Rexy

by Rexy on 12 January 2009 - 18:01

Bancroft, Schutzhund being a sport and not what I understand as personal protection training, considering the dog is trained in bite and experienced on the sleeve, if their training would kick in automatically to bite when faced with a threat. In Australia, Schutzhund or bite sleeve training of a dog is considered by the Authorities as a dangerous dog and is supposed to be recorded on the dog's licence with warning signs displayed where the dog resides.

It seems an overreaction to the potential danger of a Schutzhund trained dog where Authorities make the assumption that a dog trained on the sleeve is regarded as something lethal. It's an assumption that biting the sleeve comfirms that the dog does bite???.

 

 

 

 


snajper69

by snajper69 on 12 January 2009 - 18:01

 

Sure some SCH dog's will be able to protect you, but it will strongly depends on the situation and the dog. It will depend on the type of intruder too :) if he will be scared of dog's than it won't matter what your dog will do he will still run :), but assuming that the intruder is not afraid of dog's and physically  fit, as well knows how to handle a dog, your SCH dog would not stand a chance. Keep in mind that SCH is nothing more than routine, way more pressure is applied during real situation, as well some dog's wont bite without a sleeve :) some SCH dog's are just sleeve happy :) when the sleeve is not present totally different ball game. In real life situation stress level is increased to a maximum and some dogs might fold. When we train our PPD dog's we use a lot of equipment that would be present in real life situation from patio furniture, hoses, bats guns, to knifes respond to this kind of situation is not systematic in all dog's some don't care while some would not approach you at first this is why PPD dog is more likely to protect you than SCH dog because he been exposed to different situations and his nerve threshold increased to a maximum, plus our dog's will actually get hit during the training as well will run through many obstacles so that in real life they will be ready and pumped not shocked. BTW some people will tell you that you better off getting a gun but to be honest what makes dog better is that you can’t recall bullet and my dog can be recalled at all times. Keep in mind that PPD dog’s are trained for real situations while SCH for sport.

kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 12 January 2009 - 19:01

     I have no doubt in my mind, that any and all of my dogs would protect me, they have demonstrated that on more than one occassion. If my dogs were out at night and someone approached that I did not see coming, That person would have a VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM (no doubt so would I , later on !)






 


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