Schutzhund trained family protector - Page 2

With my first Shepherd, I did the BH and then the WH.  It is a watchdog title and very good training I think.

snaiper69, you're exactly right. PPD is for real; SCH is for sport. Are there some SCH dogs that can do PPD? Absolutely. But SCH is taught to the dog as a game/routine. I've seen many  SCH3's backed down at my club when they hit the sleeve and the helper leans over them, looks them dead in the eye and starts screaming in their face. You're right, the stress level is totally different in real life situations. While you can get by in SCH with a high prey driven dog, you're going to need one with a little more civil and fight drive to do PPD. And I don't want my dogs sleeve safe. If I did SCH it might be ok but for what I want, sleeve safe dogs do me no good. Good point about the gun too. Here's a little nugget... K9 officers are often taught that if you have to use force inside of 20 feet it's faster to release the dog that to draw your weapon and target the suspect; most gun fire situations occur within 10 feet or less. I'll take the dog.

That's a bad question.  Neither dog has been trained to do what you are asking, so like everyone else said, it depends on the dog.  However, if you have a dog that is willing to fight, I would give him better odds if he has done some sport. 

This question is like asking which kid will make the NFL.  Kid #1 is in the math club and his hobby is chess.  Kid #2 is on a little league baseball team and has a desire for football.

Which kid has a better chance to make the NFL?  #2? 

Wrong!

#1 is now a 6-4 240 lb beast who ditched the chessboard when his mom dumped his dad and re-married a meat head.

#2 sucked at baseball and never had coordination.  He sat on the bench and watched his team play while his confidence sank lower and lower as the summer went on.

LoL Don that was put quite nicely hahaha :)

I know a lady who imported a number of Schutzhund trained dogs, planning to retrain them for personal protection or police/security work.

The majority of the dogs were so focused on the sleeve that it took A LOT of retraining to get it through their heads that 'bite' meant 'bite' regardless of what the decoy was wearing!

So, yes, a difficult question to answer. However, a large, loudly barking dog is a great deterrent regardles of what training it has.

Sunsilver

Not to impune the work of your lady friend, but why would you buy a dog that had that much training?  Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to buy a nice green dog?   A dog that can be tested and you know what you are working with? 

I just don't see the need to buy a Sch dog if my goal is to train it for Police or PP.    It's like paying for training that you will not use.  Kinda like getting 4x4 when you live in an innercity where it never snows.

Very true, Don. It's possible she also wanted the dogs for breeding, therefore wanted to make sure they had the aptitude for bite work, before she put out that sort of money. This was a lot of years ago, and back then, I've heard the Germans were famous for selling their rejects to North America. If a dog was already Sch. titled, it had to have SOMETHING going for it!

Just a question but has anyone trainned a PPD,and then trainned for Sch? I wonder if that might transfer,as a intruder is an intruder no matter sleeve or not .Maybe get best of both worlds.

I know a couple of people who have done that with some success. I say some success because In SCH points are going to get knocked off for not outing, things of that nature. In PPD training, you'll see a dog's "stock" go up, so to speak, if it's hard to out just because you know that dog's committed to doing the job. Also if a dog's been trained in PPD, things like it's revere look a little different because the dog doesn't always know where the decoy is. They've actually got to search for it. In my opinion, and this is just my humble little opinion, the transition from PPD to SCH is easier than the other way around. PLEASE don't think I'm downing SCH; I'm not. SCH is great and I enjoy watching it. But you will rarely see a SCH dog rip into a decoy with the soul intent of taking him/her out. SCH dogs typically won't spit out the sleeve and want another shot at the guy. Not all,  but alot of SCH dgos can be backed down with eye contact and a HARD threat. I've got a 9 month GSD and a 18 month old malinois; if they don't know you and you decide a stare down with one of them is the best idea you've come up with all day,  you're going to get bit; they're coming after you. There are alot of police K9's out there with SCH titles and those dogs are usually as hard as they come.

some people buy schutzhund dogs and sell them as trained family protectors  for 85,000 dollars.

as has been said so many times, depends on the dog.

john