Jonathan Wells, Ph.D. Molecula & cell biology - Page 1

Oh Shtal, that's the definite nail in the coffin!!  Evolution has been disproven, when are they going to accept the Nobel Prize?  Can I get off my knees yet?  ROFLMFAO.

GSDtravels,

I do think Darwinian evolution should be taught in science classes, I think it should be taught honestly with a full acknowledgement of the problems it has with the evidence and it has many. I do NOT think it should be eliminated at this point, although I think in fact carries a lot of atheistic baggage that does NOT belong to the public schools. I would love to see the public schools turned into private schools - myself. But in the meantime I think Darwinism should be taught but it should but taught critically rather than as doctrine that cannot be question.  

I would also add that science, some people say science is limited to testing natural explanations which is actually limited on science - which means beyond science – all those other things, matter of fact can be real that science cannot get out with its methods. Some people believe do not define science as limit on method but the limit on reality, there is no supernatural. Once you adopt that definition of science you actually using apply materialistic philosophy to explain the world. And the evidence ultimately is just window addressing and that is my complain with Darwinism because I see Darwinism doing that.

No baiting other members, thank you. mrdarcy (mod)

Didn't you just deny, somewhere on another thred, that you posted messages that were

just to bait  @vk4  ?

All schools should be private? lol, brainwash much?

GSD_Admin,

Well in fact intelligent design in a given case you believe can be proven wrong; we basically operate in our daily lives using three modes of explanation. One is we can attribute something to natural law? Natural regulatory, formation of crystal, the ripples of sand, in the sand of beach or something; and another motivated explanation is chance something happened by chance, you know particular outcome of a role of the dice and rule that wheel. And the third motivate explanation that we all use in our daily lives sometimes unconsciously is design; we heard something occurred intentionally, deliberately by the intelligent agent. You see we can use those three modes of explanations to account for things in the world of nature as well. Design infernos can be defeated if in fact you can show something was produce by natural law or some combination of the natural law and chance that defeats the design infernos and you do that with evidence which in fact your evolution heros trying really hard lol

This might be good, Evolving into religious belief.
The Veritas Forum: Belief in an Age of Skepticism?

Uploaded on Mar 7, 2008

"Belief in an Age of Skepticism?"
March 4, 2008, at The University of California, Berkeley

Noted pastor and author Dr. Tim Keller discusses the place of exclusive truth in a pluralistic society in Wheeler Auditorium, followed by a Q&A session.

Hosted by Reformed University Fellowship, Dr. Keller's talk is part of The Veritas Forum at Cal, following Francis Collins' lecture in February on Christianity and science.

For more Veritas Forum recordings, visit: http://www.veritas.org/media

Not impressed, he's infested with logical fallacies.  I'm one third of the way through and though I could pick each of his points and dispute them easily, I don't have that much time to waste.  As an atheist, I'm not making truth claims, I'm showing why I don't accept others' truth claims.  That, in itself, destroys every argument he's made.  Fail.