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by vk4gsd on 28 February 2014 - 02:02
having trouble with the time frames and names, did paul, luke et al who wrote the gosples actually the same guys present at the last supper and they viewed first hand the crucifixion? sorry if this is a dumb question.
by Carlin on 28 February 2014 - 02:02
Did they not beat all of that into you in Catholic school?
by vk4gsd on 28 February 2014 - 02:02
well i remember the beatings but we all had so many we just thought they were part of the daily routine, no specific cause to them. except that one girl that sat next to me that used to try write with her left hand, her beatings were well understood by all.
anyhoo back to the topic, care to share yr expertise carlin?
anyhoo back to the topic, care to share yr expertise carlin?
by Carlin on 28 February 2014 - 02:02
anyhoo back to the topic, care to share yr expertise carlin?
The beads hurt more than the rulers.
by Shtal on 28 February 2014 - 22:02
Vk4, my suggestion to you just drop this subject, Creation vs. Evolution...And do something more productive with your life, stop trying to be so intelligence because your threads and posts make you look like an A**
by Red Sable on 28 February 2014 - 23:02
500 people witnessed Jesus' resurrection. Why do you suppose our time hinges on Jesus's life, if he didn't exist or if he was just a man?
Acts, Ch 9 the account of Paul.
Paul used to persecute Christians, but after Jesus appeared to him, he became blind. If you are interested in the rest of his story, read Acts. He of course wrote 13 books of the Bible, some being Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, 1 and 2nd Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, 1 and 2nd Corinthians.
Matthew and John were two of the apostles. This article explains Luke, Matthew, John and Mark.
https://www.lds.org/new-era/2007/01/who-are-matthew-mark-luke-and-john?lang=eng
Acts, Ch 9 the account of Paul.
3: Now as he journeyed he approached Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed about him. 4: And he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" 5: And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting; 6: but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do." 7: The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one.
8: Saul arose from the ground; and when his eyes were opened, he could see nothing;
Paul used to persecute Christians, but after Jesus appeared to him, he became blind. If you are interested in the rest of his story, read Acts. He of course wrote 13 books of the Bible, some being Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, 1 and 2nd Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, 1 and 2nd Corinthians.
Matthew and John were two of the apostles. This article explains Luke, Matthew, John and Mark.
https://www.lds.org/new-era/2007/01/who-are-matthew-mark-luke-and-john?lang=eng
by yellowrose of Texas on 28 February 2014 - 23:02
Disciple whom Jesus loved is referred to, specifically, six times in John's gospel:
It is this disciple who, while reclining beside Jesus at the Last Supper, asks Jesus, after being requested by Peter to do so, who it is that will betray him.[Jn 13:23-25]
Later at the crucifixion, Jesus tells his mother, "Woman, here is your son", and to the Beloved Disciple he says, "Here is your mother."[Jn 19:26-27]
When Mary Magdalene discovers the empty tomb, she runs to tell the Beloved Disciple and Peter. The two men rush to the empty tomb and the Beloved Disciple is the first to reach the empty tomb. However, Peter is the first to enter.[Jn 20:1-10]
In John 21, the last chapter of the Gospel of John, the Beloved Disciple is one of seven fishermen involved in the miraculous catch of 153 fish.[Jn 21:1-25] [5]
Also in the book's final chapter, after Jesus hints to Peter how Peter will die, Peter sees the Beloved Disciple following them and asks, "What about him?". Jesus answers, "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!"[John 21:20-23]
Finally, again in the gospel's last chapter, it states that the very book itself is based on the written testimony of the disciple whom Jesus loved.[John 21:24]
None of the other Gospels has anyone in the parallel scenes that could be directly understood as the Beloved Disciple. For example, in Luke 24:12, Peter alone runs to the tomb. Mark, Matthew and Luke do not mention any one of the twelve disciples having witnessed the crucifixion.
There are also two references to an unnamed "other disciple" in John 1:35-40 and John 18:15-16, which may be to the same person based on the wording in John 20:2.[6]
It is this disciple who, while reclining beside Jesus at the Last Supper, asks Jesus, after being requested by Peter to do so, who it is that will betray him.[Jn 13:23-25]
Later at the crucifixion, Jesus tells his mother, "Woman, here is your son", and to the Beloved Disciple he says, "Here is your mother."[Jn 19:26-27]
When Mary Magdalene discovers the empty tomb, she runs to tell the Beloved Disciple and Peter. The two men rush to the empty tomb and the Beloved Disciple is the first to reach the empty tomb. However, Peter is the first to enter.[Jn 20:1-10]
In John 21, the last chapter of the Gospel of John, the Beloved Disciple is one of seven fishermen involved in the miraculous catch of 153 fish.[Jn 21:1-25] [5]
Also in the book's final chapter, after Jesus hints to Peter how Peter will die, Peter sees the Beloved Disciple following them and asks, "What about him?". Jesus answers, "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!"[John 21:20-23]
Finally, again in the gospel's last chapter, it states that the very book itself is based on the written testimony of the disciple whom Jesus loved.[John 21:24]
None of the other Gospels has anyone in the parallel scenes that could be directly understood as the Beloved Disciple. For example, in Luke 24:12, Peter alone runs to the tomb. Mark, Matthew and Luke do not mention any one of the twelve disciples having witnessed the crucifixion.
There are also two references to an unnamed "other disciple" in John 1:35-40 and John 18:15-16, which may be to the same person based on the wording in John 20:2.[6]
by Mike Rivers on 28 February 2014 - 23:02
VK...the gospels were written many years later. Mathew, Mark, and Luke were not considered the ones whom Jesus taught and cannot be look at as first hand. However they are a guide indeed. John on the other hand is the one who stands out with mind shattering first hand script like. "The word became flesh". Imprisoned blind on an island. Until set free to go to Damascus. This information is so profound about John, we now see why the gospel had spread in less than 50 years through out the Greco-Roman world. John I believe was healed in the end and recieved the transfiguration. But no one knows.
by yellowrose of Texas on 28 February 2014 - 23:02
The Original Twelve Appointed Apostles by Jesus Mt. 10 2-4. Mk 3 16-19 Lu 6 13-16
Simon
James (the elder) THE FIRST THREE WERE known as THE INNER CIRCLE-----SO called because they were accorded special priviledges
John(the beloved Disciple)
Andrew(brother of Peter)
Philop
Bartholomew THESE WERE CALLED THE QUIET WORKERS
Thomas
Matthew
James (the Less or Younger)
Jude
Simon
Judas These known as The Little Known
These persons added to the Apostolic Band after the ASCENSION OF JESUS
Mathias Acts 1 23-25
Saul whose name was changed to PAUL on the road to Damascas Ac 13:9
A good thing for you to do is go BUY a Thompson Chain Reference Bible and it will lead you to all the \scriptures chained from Gen 1 ,...wonderful way to learn
the jews tried to unvalidate the charge that the Jews ordered Pontius Pilate to hang Jesus..so did the Muslims down thru history,,Many facts changed from years of research some good and some are very questionable, All facts are vague in some of the history writings as dates did not use to be kept nor were days and times the same as ours. It takes studying 3 languages written then and many years of puttihng together many research findings who have dug up proof. Many questions still are unanswered as the real writer of Revelations but many try to unlodge the bible ESPECIALLY since the Jews said Jesus was not the Messiah,.,. his name was Jesus of Nazarath,,,to find a body they would not,,just time lines and traces of many who wrote of it who were there, The disciples fled,.,the accounts can be read but very difficult to put in time as their are apostles, Epistles and disciples and very hard to keep them all seperate.
History has studied calendars and corrected dates to fit calendars now accepted..Many approximate dates are all we can go on...Jesus was born aprox 4 or 5 B.C, Year of death was apro 29,or 30 A.D.
YOU can study for years and learn lots more every time you look at these facts of who wrote what Epistle or who they think did,., some are for sure and some are assuming because of witness,. all mentioned in each Epistle,,it takes lots of reading and studying with correct referencing and not that of some other sect or religion that wants to negate and not find facts and be doing it for the Studying to show yourselves approved by the glory of the Lord,
YR
Simon
James (the elder) THE FIRST THREE WERE known as THE INNER CIRCLE-----SO called because they were accorded special priviledges
John(the beloved Disciple)
Andrew(brother of Peter)
Philop
Bartholomew THESE WERE CALLED THE QUIET WORKERS
Thomas
Matthew
James (the Less or Younger)
Jude
Simon
Judas These known as The Little Known
These persons added to the Apostolic Band after the ASCENSION OF JESUS
Mathias Acts 1 23-25
Saul whose name was changed to PAUL on the road to Damascas Ac 13:9
A good thing for you to do is go BUY a Thompson Chain Reference Bible and it will lead you to all the \scriptures chained from Gen 1 ,...wonderful way to learn
the jews tried to unvalidate the charge that the Jews ordered Pontius Pilate to hang Jesus..so did the Muslims down thru history,,Many facts changed from years of research some good and some are very questionable, All facts are vague in some of the history writings as dates did not use to be kept nor were days and times the same as ours. It takes studying 3 languages written then and many years of puttihng together many research findings who have dug up proof. Many questions still are unanswered as the real writer of Revelations but many try to unlodge the bible ESPECIALLY since the Jews said Jesus was not the Messiah,.,. his name was Jesus of Nazarath,,,to find a body they would not,,just time lines and traces of many who wrote of it who were there, The disciples fled,.,the accounts can be read but very difficult to put in time as their are apostles, Epistles and disciples and very hard to keep them all seperate.
History has studied calendars and corrected dates to fit calendars now accepted..Many approximate dates are all we can go on...Jesus was born aprox 4 or 5 B.C, Year of death was apro 29,or 30 A.D.
YOU can study for years and learn lots more every time you look at these facts of who wrote what Epistle or who they think did,., some are for sure and some are assuming because of witness,. all mentioned in each Epistle,,it takes lots of reading and studying with correct referencing and not that of some other sect or religion that wants to negate and not find facts and be doing it for the Studying to show yourselves approved by the glory of the Lord,
YR
by Red Sable on 28 February 2014 - 23:02
Now I miss that Like Button. Thanks YR :)
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