For my brother from a different mother - Page 1

This is very old subject for many folks on this board, so please ignore this thread (Thank you)

This thread I made for vk4.


Dear vk4, I know you are very intelligent man and you can assure me or anyone here on this board that the earth is NOT young; but I have obstacles for you.


Obstacle number 1: Earth Magnetic field.
Obstacle number 2: Equilibrium in earth's atmosphere.

Now please educate me; what foundation(s) do you have or on what bases do you stand besides your personal beliefs that the earth is NOT less than 10,000 years old.


Here is what NASA claims: http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-poleReversal.html

Dr Andrew Snelling, of Answers in Genesis, has written quite a lot on magnetic pole reversals, showing that there would have been rapid pole reversals in the early stages of the Flood. Much of this can be seen in his book "Earth's Catastrophic Past". The article below also includes some information on the subject:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v9/n2/astonishment
There are no magnetic reversals, only stronger and weaker magnetism. You see the earth has lost 10% percent of its magnetic strength in the last 150 years, it lost 40% percent of its strength in the last 1000 years,  it’s pretty overwhelming evidence that the earth magnetic field is getting weaker, what is that mean? Well that means is used to be stronger and if earth’s magnetic field is getting weaker, this creates the problem because if you go back in time about 25,000 thousand years, the magnetic strength would have been too great for life to exist here because the heat generated and so evolutionist’s have to find the answer to overcome this obstacle because without millions of years it would be impossible to purpose the idea of evolution. And so they said, hey! We are watching the magnetic field declining, so it must be going through reversals; it has never been observed to reversed, it only being observed to decline.


And my second part:

Carbon dating assumptions needed to be pointed out.
 
They say well - we know carbon decays in certain rate and so we know it’s only half as much it’s half as old. (There is an assumption that messes up everything), I show how it works.
 
If I say we going to fill a barrel with water, so I gave a hose to fill barrel with water, but what you don’t know is I have drill holes in the barrel. While you are putting in – the water is leaking out, well - kind the like your checkbook - you know, you keep putting in and its keep leaking out someplace: right!
 
Well, the earth’s atmosphere – its kind the like this barrel. It’s always getting brand knew carbon14, 21 pounds every year being put in and is always leaking out through decay. So the question would be how long it would take to reach a stage called Equilibrium. Now with the barrel you can actually do the math and calculate – if I’m going to put in certain amount of water per minute and certain amount per minute leaks out. When would I reach Equilibrium? That’s all can be calculated – with little bit of math. And with atmosphere when will it reach Equilibrium. So the guys, - who invented carbon dating in the late 1940’s. Said - they wonder earth atmosphere reaching Equilibrium, they did a bunch of study on that (This subject). They said if we took a brand new planet earth, created from scratch; got it going around the sun and how long would it take to reach Equilibrium point in the atmosphere. Where production rate and destruction rate is the same. And they determine it would take about thirty thousand years to reach Equilibrium; I’ m NOT sure how they did all that calculation. You can probably see some rate scientists to figure that out.
 
Did you know that they discover that the earth still did not reach Equilibrium….
Radiocarbon is still forming 30 - 40% faster that it is decaying. “NOW THINK ABOUT THAT”
If Radiocarbon is still forming faster than it’s decaying - that means the earth is less then thirty thousand years old – that is Number1 and Number2 – you can’t carbon date anything. Because you would have to know when it lived – so that you could calculated when it lived. You would have to already know when it lived to fear how much carbon14 it was breathing at that time. “Doesn’t work”
 
Suppose you walked into the room and I said – I want you to tell me, here is candle burning on the table, when it was lit?
 
You find out it was 7 inches tall; well, that won’t tell me anything. Now we have to measure how fast it’s burning, we measure a candle for a while, we get Olympic stop watch and we get do to nearest 40 bazillion of the second, okay! And we all agree candle burning 1 inch per hour.
Here are two facts, seven inches tall and burning one inch per hour - but when it was lit?
Nobody could figure that out!!! Unless you make some assumptions,
Assumption number one – how tall was the candle and assumption number two has it always burned at the same rate, neither of those could be known. If you find a fossil in the dirt, the amount of carbon could be measured, the rate of decay can be determent; I don’t argue either of those. How much was in when it lived – I don’t know, has it always decay at the same rate – I don’t know, has it being contaminated, sitting in the ground for all this years, there is no way to know all this things.
(Carbon dating has a flaw to determine the age)
 

"...be on guard against giving interpretations of Scripture that are far fetched or opposed to science, and so exposing the Word of God to the ridicule of unbelievers."


--Saint Augustine


this is the entire basis to your religion, god have mercy on you....


 

Vk4gsd,,Love that quote!!.Here is another,,.I personally enjoy Saint Augustine !..:) Not watching your video though,,lol,,,
 
"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.”

-Saint Augustine (A.D. 354-430) in his work The Literal Meaning of Genesis (De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim)
 

the way it is referenced??? is it from timothy or something st aug wrote, confused? 

thanks for posting that, i am a fan of st aug and st francis of assissi, there are a whole bunch of theists living and dead that i greatly admire and am inspired by, the bottom feeders are the hovinds and the likes that run that scam answersingenesis - so without soul, they are the f'ing antichrist.

No, that quote is not from Timothy, I am not certain why it says that,,I copied and pasted it as it appears ...I am going to remove it to avoid confusion,,,

What is it about the writings of Saint Augustine and Frances do you enjoy?..

 

i like aug cos he is a naturalist of sorts and was one of the first to assert that scripture is mainly metaphor and not literal and should be learned and taught as such. he also formalised original sin and said it is OK for christians to go kill so that sux.

st francis is just an awesome and convincing dude, prolly the most religious and holy man that ever existed.

 

I got to reading again and found one more I like..,,

"Some people, in order to discover God, read books. 
But there is a great book: 
the very appearance of created things. 
Look above you! Look below you! 
Note it. Read it. 
God, whom you want to discover, 
never wrote that book with ink. 
Instead He set before your eyes 
the things that He had made. 
Can you ask for a louder voice than that? 
Why, heaven and earth shout to you: 
'God made me!' "

 

 

– Augustine of Hippo

ruger;

Original sin from the catholic encyclopaedia;
 
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

logically this leads among others to concepts like  infinite punishment for those that aren't saved in this life which means millions of people that lived before christianity/old testament and anyone who is not a christian regardless of how good or bad they are, this also includes dead babies burning for infinity in hell  cos they were born in the wrong religion or did not get saved before they died - macabre? - that's christianity.
 

re just war

 i am sure historic power mongers to this day embrace this to justify their evil


http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/Philosophers/Augustine/augustine_justwar.html
 

Question: "What does 'Many are called but few are chosen' in Matthew 22:14 mean?"

Answer: This statement is the conclusion to the Parable of the Wedding Feast. Jesus spoke this parable to show what the kingdom of heaven will be like when the end of the age comes. In the parable, the king sends his servants out to gather the wedding guests to the wedding feast. But those invited refused to come, some because they were too busy with their own worldly pursuits and some because they were positively hostile toward the king. So the king commands his servants to go out and invite anyone they find, and many come and fill the wedding hall. But the king sees one man without wedding clothes, and he sends him away. Jesus concludes by saying that many are called/invited to the kingdom, but only those who have been “chosen” and have received Christ will come. Those who try to come without the covering of the blood of Christ for their sins are inadequately clothed and will be sent into “outer darkness,” (v. 13) i.e., hell.

Many people hear the call of God which comes through His revelation of Himself through two things—the creation and the conscience within us. But only the "few" will respond because they are the ones who are truly hearing. Jesus said many times, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear” (Matthew 11:15; Mark 4:9; Luke 8:8, 14:35). The point is that everyone has ears, but only a few are listening and responding. Not everyone who hears the gospel receives it but only the "few" who have ears to hear. The "many" hear, but there is no interest or there is outright antagonism toward God. Many are called or invited into the kingdom, but none are able to come on their own. God must draw the hearts of those who come; otherwise they will not (John 6:44).

Second Corinthians 5:17 says, “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come.” God creates life, grants repentance and gives faith. Man is totally unable by himself to do these things which are necessary to enter the kingdom of heaven. Ephesians 1:4-6: “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.” Salvation is by God’s will and pleasure for His glory. John 6:37-39, 44-45: “All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day…No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.”

So, all of God’s “chosen” will be saved without exception; they will hear and respond because they have spiritual ears to hear the truth. God’s power makes this certain. Romans 8:28-30: “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew (loved) he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.”

How do we know if we are among the few that have ears to hear? By responding to the call. Assurance of this certain call, this chosen call, is from the Holy Spirit. Consider Philippians 1:6, which says, “Being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose” (Philippians 2:12-13.) If we listen with our spiritual ears and respond to the invitation, there will be fear and trembling in our souls as we recognize that it was God’s work in us that caused our salvation.

http://www.gotquestions.org/many-called-few-chosen.html