What is the risk of doing nothing? - Page 1

Déja vu all over, again......!

...depends on how one chooses to assess the situation.  John Kerry looks quite the fool spouting off about "crimes against humanity", given our record of action and lack thereof in terms of foreign policy.  We must be quite the picture of hypocrisy in the eyes of the world; even the UK is bowing out on this one.  The lines become so skewed when we become instrumental in creating and arming an opposition force, one in which we initially turn a blind eye to the fact that that force is often comprised of a large percentage of civilians.  Is it that our leaders are then guilt tripped into involvement, or was it the plan all along? Tough to say when you can't take anything at face value.

The Government of Britain took a vote in Parliement whether they should take action or not? 30 from the party of the Prime Minister voted against his proposel , so therefore he had to back down. It did him no good and it did the country involved no good? they say it is the will of the majority of the Public, that is incorrect seeing the public had no say in it at all.
Mr Cameron should have waited a few more days to here what the weapons inspectors had to say before calling the MP,s together and the USA president would be wise to wait until he knows the facts first hand before any action. if it is correct and these weapons were used against the people then our government has made a huge mistake in pulling out so quickly. however the French are there instead so all should be okay
Steve1

^^^ - Here is the flip side of the British coin (or pound note).
 


The default position in interventionist activities in sovereign nations should remain conservative. 
 

"if it is correct and these weapons were used against the people then our government has made a huge mistake in pulling out so quickly."

Really?  Would that again be the humanitarian guise, or to dissuade the further use of chemical weapons in the ME?  IIRC, we have spent billions of dollars (or pounds), and countless lives in the takeover and occupation of Iraq, culminating in  the death of their despot due to supposed WMD's and the documented use of chemical weapons on his own people (among other things).  Evidently then, there is no "message" to be sent strong enough to prevent this behavior.  In examining why, a complete re-evaluation of international policy is required, though I doubt it will happen.

It has been said that the USA kept back information off which we do not know what it was that could have been an asset to David Cameron before he decided to bring in a vote of the MP,s when he did but he certainly was acting too fast and should have waited for the weapon inspectors report on what there findings were. if they do not then why bother to send them there at all, However how true that is we will  never know. It has also been said that the French are the new allies and friends of the USA and the UK is now out of favour. if this again be true then let it remain that way in the future.
Steve1

It has also been said that the French are the new allies and friends of the USA and the UK is now out of favour. if this again be true then let it remain that way in the future.

Carlin
No need to roll the eyes at my statement, The only thing us mere mortals can go by is what is on the News and in the Papers, and that was mentioned this morning? So if it is true then so be it let the French have there glory moments if they can call it that because it will be the first time they had any glory. and if the USA can cast aside loyal allies just as quickly then as i say let them stay that way for all time. but again it is News and paper talk if it correct or not, in time it  will tell us
Steve1
and as for the 2 dislikes on my last post above WHY, it is what was read and listened to on the News, there for all to read and listen too who had the chance too. As for any more posts on this subject i will hold back posting until we see what happens in the near future

  Certainly, John Kerry had to be looking on the bright-side, knowing Gr.Britain would not be jumping in with the USA on any Syrian war plans. I think it makes me horrified at the thought! What a poor trade-off, I am thinking. I actually understand the vote that happened in their Parliament. It probably seems the US has "cried wolf", one too many times. I have no idea really the answer to this. The pictures of the dead children are sobering. I think what we are hearing too, is political posturing on the world scale from the media. I certainly do not want our sons and daughters going to a war that won't solve anything. And look how it doesn't matter if we have a Democrat or a Republican President, the USA position on humanity seems to put us always, on the brink of war.
 

US Secretary of State John Kerry called France America’s “oldest ally” Friday as he praised the country for its support of military action in Syria. France is now the US’s only major ally over Syria after the UK ruled out taking part in any strikes. 

http://www.france24.com/en/20130831-syria-with-uk-out-us-flatters-oldest-ally-france-john-kerry

 

Seven hours of impassioned debate in the House of Commons had revealed deep divisions over whether military strikes against the Assad regime would deter the further use of chemical weapons, or simply make the conflict worse.

http://www.france24.com/en/20130830-british-parliament-rejects-military-action-syria-cameron-assad
 

Convenient for Kerry to take that stance at such a time, no? I view the France/UK remarks as irresponsible and knee-jerk as they may be unrepresentative of the sentiment of the American public, as the presupposition is that this is THE American position. As for partisan politics, I'm not sure they matter here, until the GOP somehow spins all the negatives that come out of this during the next campaign.

The PM of Gr.B was in favour of taking action against the Regime and that is fact but he had the vote he thought he would win but did not so there is little he can do at the present time? i blame him alone for not waiting another few days before recalling parliement to vote on it just to here what the Inspectors have to say first it would have changed the vote i expect, and if not then why did they go there in the first place. Also the people i have spoke too on the subject are also  in favour of some military action after hearing what the weapons inspectors had to say. Just a few more days to hear there report not go in willy nilly and gung ho Lads lets be at them i have seen all this before and it does not work, Clear headed and thinking will pay off
As for Mr Kerry saying the French are there closest allies then let them sort it out between them this time and every time? My estimation and respect for the Government of the USA has gone downhill considerably in the last couple of days, once said is one time too many there is no going back on that, no one gets burnt twice they have said it now stick to it, and i hope the UK stays right out of anything to do with the USA in future, as for the French backing the USA do not bet on it in the future, There president was grinning like a cheshire cat who got the cream on the TV the other night after being praised by the USA, and i guess he had a right to grin they do not get praised very often, but i bet it does not last long. I was not going to reply until i read Carlins remarks, I wonder what he has done for his country in the past except talk the talk
Steve1