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by angel182431 on 15 July 2012 - 02:07
Hi, I have a year old female with two issues. First she is very hard to work with, as she ignores everything you try to teach her. She either ignores me completely (like when I tell her down she will just continue jumping on you or coming at you.) or she will just roll over on her belly and she always pees, whether your petting her or trying to get her to mind. Second she is very dog aggressive. It seems to be a fear aggression, but it don't matter if it's a grown dog or a 6 week old puppy, if she gets close enough she will violently attack them. It took me 3 months to get her adjusted to my male when we brought him home at 8 weeks of age. We got her when she was four months old. When we went to meet her they had 3 females and a male pup left. All of the pups pee'd when they met us, but I didn't think much about it, because a lot of puppies pee from excitement when they're young, figured she would just out grow it. Believe it or not but she was the most outgoing of all the pups, infact the male pup wouldn't come anywhere near us. We had tow adult dogs at home, so when we brought her in the yard with them, we had them chained up so as not to scare her to much with the older dogs. We then proceeded to let each dog off their chain to come meet her and she completely freaked out! She was so scared she started snapping at the adult dog who could care less and just moved away from her, with a look that so said "what's her problem". She actually went #1 and #2 on herself. So we chained the adult dog back up and just left her loose in the yard. Figured that way she could decide on her own when she was ready to go up to them and if they scared her she could move back away. It took about a week before she was fine with them. When she had been at our home for about two weeks and seemed completely relaxed in her new home, I put a collar on her and started trying to work with her, just so she would know the basic commands and to leash break her. Once again she freaked completely out screaming at the top of her lungs, which I have never had even a very young puppy do. I mean they all usually fight and some will whimper and cry, but she acted like her tail was caught in the door. I just know my neighbors thought I was trying to kill her. I finally have where she don't freak out but now I have to practically drag her if it's somewhere she don't want to go and of course she pee's. There are no dog trainers close by us, closest being 2 hours away. We lost our home in last years big flood and had to move to town, and a bad part of town. I was raised with Shepherds, but my husband and myself have raised wolf dogs for the past 20 years. Wolf dogs as you know are not guard dogs or watch dogs of any sort. Most people are afraid of them because of how they look, but the worst that could happen to you with them if you came in the yard is a big chance of getting scratched from them jumping on you to get and give lots of love and kisses. They don't even bark. So after we had been here two days and some crack head came up into our yard with a big club wanting to borrow gas money, no gas can by the way. I told my husband if you want a loyal protective dog then we need a German Shepherd. So thats what we did. Now in hindsight I wish we would have researched breeders and found a better lineage than with her, but we didn't. I did do lots of research when I went to by my male and he is just great. Always aiming to please and he's been super easy to train. My female is a good watchdog, I don't know if she would actually bite anyone but she sure makes everyone that walks down our street think she would. There is a man in our neighborhood that claims to train dogs for obedience and attack, but just for obedience he wants $600, which I have no idea if thats a normal price or if thats high. But I told my husband "Do we really want a man who we don't know, don't know his training methods and who knows where we live that could he himself come to our home and handle our dog?". I mean he could come here when we are not home and rob us cause shes not going to attack him, he trained her! I know this is long and I do apologize for that but felt y'all should know as much about her as possible. If anyone has any advice on how I could train her better or how to get her to stop peeing all the time or how I could get her out of her dog aggression I would really appreciate any help or advise you could give me.
by trixx on 15 July 2012 - 03:07
how much socalizing have you done outside your yard? this female is going to need alot of work.
when she acts very fearful what do you do? she is going to confront her fears, but she also needs right direction, a leader and i dont think she thinks there is one and it sure sounds like a fear problem. i dont think she wants to listern to you cause she does not think you are boss, she thinks she is dominate over you. i think you need help and to get a trainer, where are you located ? maybe some one on here may know of someone in your area to help, its best to see her in person to see what really going on.
when she acts very fearful what do you do? she is going to confront her fears, but she also needs right direction, a leader and i dont think she thinks there is one and it sure sounds like a fear problem. i dont think she wants to listern to you cause she does not think you are boss, she thinks she is dominate over you. i think you need help and to get a trainer, where are you located ? maybe some one on here may know of someone in your area to help, its best to see her in person to see what really going on.
by alboe2009 on 15 July 2012 - 04:07
By no means the expert here but many problems taking place......Not to add insult to injury but you answered a couple of your own questions; Research before buying a pup, ALL pups pissing at interaction with you, possibly any/all humans and researching credibilty of trainer. If the trainer was CRIMINAL you have all of his pertinent information.
In my eyes, and I could be wrong and yes, anything is possible but it appears it's already a no-win situation. I am not 100% saying he can't be changed/trained to become what you want or need but numerous threads go back and forth on or about these issues: The dogs lines, temperment and such are already being visable at an early age. How the siblings or the entire pack were acting.
For the Trainer; research him, talk to his clientele, find out once (before) paying the $600. what guarantees are in order and if the outcome is not a satisfying one then what happens??? I am a firm believer in that the first 6 mos molds the foundation of the pup for life and is so crucial!
Good luck and keep us informed.
In my eyes, and I could be wrong and yes, anything is possible but it appears it's already a no-win situation. I am not 100% saying he can't be changed/trained to become what you want or need but numerous threads go back and forth on or about these issues: The dogs lines, temperment and such are already being visable at an early age. How the siblings or the entire pack were acting.
For the Trainer; research him, talk to his clientele, find out once (before) paying the $600. what guarantees are in order and if the outcome is not a satisfying one then what happens??? I am a firm believer in that the first 6 mos molds the foundation of the pup for life and is so crucial!
Good luck and keep us informed.
by angel182431 on 15 July 2012 - 05:07
Other than going to the vet she hasn't been really outside our yard. Can't walk her in the neighborhood as there are other dogs that run loose. No dog park here either. I don't think that she thinks she's dominate over me, otherwise I don't think she would pee every time I try to correct her. As far as what I do when she acts fearful of me, I'm ashamed to say I just quit trying to get her to do what I want her to. She cries, pees and ignores me, almost like she doesn't understand the language. LOL To give you an example of a situation with her...I'm sitting on my chair and she comes up to me wanting to be petted, I tell her go, she keeps coming forward, I try to push her back and tell her go, which is the command I use for all my dogs when I want them to get back, she will then keep coming and then will just place herself at my feet on her back and now she pees. But during it all she never gets back. I then lead her by her collar back to the place I want her to go, which is about 12 feet from me and I tell her stay, I then go back and sit down. She will then come right back to me ignoring all commands, completely submissive, ears back, tail tucked, peeing but still will not listen. I then just completely ignore her and if and when she does finally on her own goes and lays down where I wanted her to, I then will call her over to be petted. My husband thinks I should just pet her when she wants it and there wouldn't be a problem, but I try to explain to him if I pet her every time she demands it on her time, then she becomes the boss not me. I feel that I should be able to control the situation at all times or we have a problem. I live in Ripley, TN about 60 miles north of Memphis, TN
by angel182431 on 15 July 2012 - 05:07
To alboe2009: I completely agree with you on the research. I have already decided that I will be getting her spayed as I do not want to have her traits passed down to future generations. As far as the trainer, I am just not real happy with some what I saw with him when I talked to him. He walks his Shepherd and the Shepherd he is training up and down the street and my husband and I stopped him oneday to ask him about training our female. We stood there and talked for about 10 minutes before he proceeded to tell us about his male he had with him and how the dog was so aggressive when he got him he tried to attack everyone he came close to, but that now as we could see he doesn't do that anymore but if either my husband or myself tried to reach out to like shake the mans hand or touch him in anyway his dog would go for our throat. I told my husband, well I had no intention of touching the man, I didn't even know him, but don't you think if you have a dog that is trained to do that you would warn people immediately when they first walk up to you! I mean my goodness, what if one of us unknowingly did reach out to shake his hand or went to touch him on the shoulder or something.
by alboe2009 on 15 July 2012 - 09:07
Won't even go there with the Trainer but in my eyes he went about it (commenting) all wrong. You have many problems and I have no idea if they or most can be fixed. That's not my experience but I would likely say no. My comments in no way should be your deciding factor, understand that. I know it's hard to explain many months of actions and experiences in a few paragraphs and with out seeing situations or repeated situations we are just talking shop talk. I'm prior Military and Former Law Enforcement and we live by, at times, different rules. One is "If you're not part of the solution then you must be part of the problem". Not saying the dog is peeing to get attention but why when the dog approaches you want her to go away? And I understand this might or might not have anything to do with the problems you are experiencing. We could probably go on and on about little things that might not seem relevant but when you add up these things over time then other things come into the picture; stress/stressors etc.
You stated that at a certain point you just quit trying to get her to do what you wanted?, (only to that problem) and the dog is now one year old? For me, if the dog has been peeing since a puppy at the least amount of ? correction or sternness then that's a lot of piss to be dealing with. Ever have any tests ran on her? We could go on and on but hopefully someone who has experienced the same or close to the same problems will comment. I have never experienced those problems so i am only suggesting options. Reread your original post, and I would think most of the problems are stemming from the lines of the dog but you stated your situation (and I'm not trying to be personal just looking at timeframes) with the house and flooding was last year and this dog you got within the last year? There has to be some/a lot of stress involved and with the pup I'm sure she lived it also. And not saying this took place but priorities could have been shifted more towards the humans than K9, just tossing thoughts out there.
If it were me........ I would go back to square one. Treat her like a pup you just acquired. Structured "breaks" (bathroom). Every hour or every two hours. Also, paying attention to the signs. Lots of praise and if accidents indoor treat her like a puppy not as an adult. Attempt to change her habits and see if that works. if it works and even if it doesn't but she still falls apart at the least amount of correction or sternness then look to the lines, nerves and temperament and the mental aspect of it.
You stated that at a certain point you just quit trying to get her to do what you wanted?, (only to that problem) and the dog is now one year old? For me, if the dog has been peeing since a puppy at the least amount of ? correction or sternness then that's a lot of piss to be dealing with. Ever have any tests ran on her? We could go on and on but hopefully someone who has experienced the same or close to the same problems will comment. I have never experienced those problems so i am only suggesting options. Reread your original post, and I would think most of the problems are stemming from the lines of the dog but you stated your situation (and I'm not trying to be personal just looking at timeframes) with the house and flooding was last year and this dog you got within the last year? There has to be some/a lot of stress involved and with the pup I'm sure she lived it also. And not saying this took place but priorities could have been shifted more towards the humans than K9, just tossing thoughts out there.
If it were me........ I would go back to square one. Treat her like a pup you just acquired. Structured "breaks" (bathroom). Every hour or every two hours. Also, paying attention to the signs. Lots of praise and if accidents indoor treat her like a puppy not as an adult. Attempt to change her habits and see if that works. if it works and even if it doesn't but she still falls apart at the least amount of correction or sternness then look to the lines, nerves and temperament and the mental aspect of it.
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