Rubbing their nose in it .......!!!! - Page 1

You don't have to agree.  You don't have to use it.  Makes no difference to me.

But showing a dog their poo and correcting them combined with rewarding for going poo in the desired location works.  Correcting them ony when you catch them in the act can teach them that it's OK to poo in the house when no one is watching. 

I have 2 dogs - same age, same breed, obtained at the same time.  One was easily house trained by simply rewarding him when he went in the desired location.  The other was much harder to train. 

If using a positive only method works for you then great.  But there is nothing wrong with showing and correcting even hours after the fact as long as it's combined with rewarding for going in the correct location.

The argument for not showing and correcting is that it can lead to them eating their poo, which can happen if the showing and correcting isn't combined with rewarding and praise when they go in the correct location. 

And no one rubs their nose in it.  That's simply gross.  But showing them their poo is perfectly OK.  Heck, as soon as they drop it, they turn around a sniff it.

 

I think the point I was trying to make is that you are almost certainly completely wasting your time with the first part; sure the rest of what you do will work;  just that showing a pile or puddle to a pup when said puppy has been doing something else entirely for even a couple of minutes so  does not turn some light on in the pup's brain.  Dogs memories just don't work the same way as humans.  That isn't to say they are not clever - just different. Don't take my word for it - there's a mine of reference material on Training methods and dog psychology out there.  Lin.

There are a number of things working here...First of all...a puppy's/dog's age has a lot to do with how and when they will learn to "bathroom" in the right place or at least not to go in the wrong place...
A puppy's/dog's body must be mature enough to be able to handle what you're asking for...Such as "peeing" in the right place and/or holding it long enough to go in the right place...A puppy's body must be mature enough to handle what you're asking for...
Even puppy's who don't learn very well or are hard to potty train will eventually learn when they get a little older...

I don't think "rubbing" a puppy's/dog's nose in their poop is ever a good thing to do...I think it'll cause more problems by doing this...

Dogs will do things when forced to do so...Such as...Our dogs or most of them what to be clean and want their area/sleeping areas to be clean...So when they're in a limited area and can't hold it anymore...then poop and/or pee...will eat it and/or lick up the urine...It doesn't make any difference what kind of training they've had...It's Mother Nature taking over...

Same as "eating" feces...You basically can't control it...Some dogs will do it and some won't...Some dogs are just horribly slobs...then others really want to be clean...

I think it's like most all training...the more pressure you put on your puppies/dogs...the worse things will get...But all dogs are different and take pressure better or worse...So the proper pressure must be applied and you must know when to take that same pressure off or it CAN affect them adversely...

I have found puppies/dogs that have never had any "potty" training at all and say have been in a kennel until they're 6 months to a year old...will learn to be very clean and will be "crate training" by themselves...

I've taken a kennel-dog on at  3 1/2 years, where she's had minimal time in a house / house breaking training, brought her to live indoors in a flat with no garden/yard, and purely by getting off my arse and taking her out for frquent walks,  taught her to "go" outside on command.   Never had any accidents (until she fairly suddenly became physically incontinent in her last few weeks of life, at almost 14).  Like I said, Jeffs:   they are intelligent,  you just have to accept they are different to 'little people' and operate accordingly.  And unfortunately, some people who hear  that it is ok "to rub noses in it" DO then go and do exactly that.

Thanks Hundmutter.  I'll try to remember Dogs aren't little people, although I can't remember ever showing a little person their poo and correcting them. 

I don't care if people agree with me or not.  Showing a dog their poo and correcting them along with rewarding them for correct behavior works with no adverse impact.  You don't have to agree.  But it works.  People can chose not to use the method if they want or they can chose to use it.  Makes no difference to me.  But people who are making the choice need to know the truth.

Now, if all they are doing is correcting and if they start out correcting, then that's bad.  But that's bad training regardless of what is being trained.  The desired behavior has to be taught first.  And if your dog picks it up from there, then great.  But if not, then correcting the undesried behavior is perfectly OK, whether its going to the bath room in the house or jumping up on people.

Just curious,
what happened to the original thread?





Ahh,



never mind.

After a brief look about,
I see someone has been busy tampering with the threads and deleted my post for what ever reason suited them.
Pathetic.

No one has tampered with anything or deleted your post sir. The original thread started by Vixen was deleted as she has the same thread running in the All Breeds forum. She was PM'd about this as we do not allow cross posting, any further comments should be posted to the All Breeds forum. This thread is now closed. Thank you. mrdarcy.