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GSDadmin.

Please stop your babbling,your just like most of the people hear,you imagine to much.
I have no thoughts or reason  to go to. OLI or anyone else. Your still harping about 2 months ago? Get over it.  Do your Job hear,and leave me be. 

   gouda

Hi deanna,  read it carefully,and then give me your opinion on this verse.
  Deut. 39:19

  Thank you

   gouda

GSDadmin wrote

Ask GSDTravels and Beetree about the drug posts. You did not accuse you insinuated. Trying to make it seem like because they don't believe what you believe they must be on drugs.  BTW--nice deflection.

My reply --  Thats a absolute lie.  I asked GSDtravels if he was using drugs or alcohol.
I told him the reason I asked because He would be courteous and polite posting and than an hour so later he would go back to his old ways of rattling of and being rude.
That is what drugs and alcohol does,you have your uppers when your taking it when you dont  you go on a downer and become rude and  edgy.    I never ever suggested that about them not believing because they are using drugs.  I tell you something here Budd, Ive led more drug and alcohol users to Christ then people that did not use those things.  For your information a drug addict and a Acoholic will usually reach out to God before a non user will.    So again your imagination is running wild with you.


P.S.  I never use deflections,Im up front with what I have to say,

      gouda
 

Sorry Deanna,  I hit the wrong key. SHOULD BE 30:19.

Im going to bed now,Im very tired today.  Its exactly 11 p.m. hear.

   gouda
 

 
Moses is talking to the Israelites;Gods chosen people...

Gods pleasure in having a chosen people has been at work from the beginning..It started with Israel and has spilled over into the New Testament with those that God, the Father has given to the Son..God chose Israel from among all other people and made them His own..Not because of anything good they did or because they wanted to be Gods people, but because God chose them for His good pleasure....

As a mater of fact the Isrealites were some of the most faithless and obstinate people ..God in His mercy did bear with them and was faithful in spite of them...In the New Testament God grafted in people from among the gentiles, but the concept is the same. God chose a people for himself ...

Really gouda. I read all of what Travels wrote you right before you insinuated she was using and I see nothing rude but I do see her putting you on the spot. You didn't like what she had to say so you figured you would throw up addiction and see if it would stick. If you really thought it was an abuse problem do you think confronting someone on the open forum was going to work?

And Beetree below, you flat out accused her. Both are insinuations/accusations and not very Christian like.  Again, I see Travels being nothing but kind and respectful, but you chose to try and shoot the messenger.

So, spin your explanation all you want.

judge not{ for Ruger1} by GSDtravels on 12 December 2011 - 23:12	GSDtravels Post: 2390 of 2452 Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 01:30 pm Owner edit
I will also offer at this point, the force of religion on Atheists, and why it's wrong.  You, the supposed holders of truth are, through power, forcing a sin upon others.  This is the part you never get, when holding extremist views.  Atheists have never attempted to take religion from the religious.  All they ask is that you keep it private and allow those who seek it, to be able to EASILY find it.  It shouldn't be hidden from view, but should not be endorsed as National = FORCED. If the founders actually held the same beliefs as Gouda and Shtal, it is glaringly obvious that it would have been written into the laws, explicity and in detail.  They were careful not to EXCLUDE religion but they tried to make clear it was not the same as the laws of civility, it's a PERSONAL choice.  Why must you erect Holy symbols on public property, forcing those who don't believe, to act like they DO believe?  And when anyone objects, you cry persecution, when there's a Church in the same block with a beautiful Nativity in the yard.  Then you try to force by majority, when that was the OPPOSITE of the REAL reason this country was founded.  How would you feel if every person who saw this agreed with it and it spread like wildfire?  How would you feel if others saw that it wasn't necessarily evil to be without religion?  That is wasn't the same as "worshiping evil"?  And all of a sudden the tables turned.  What if they started printing "There's NO God" on YOUR currency?  Can you imagine?  WE CAN!  Do we think it was an accident that "under God" was inserted just before "indivisible" in the Pledge of Allegiance?  Did it ever occur to you that "under God" negates "indivisible"?  But then you scream when Atheists won't comply and repeat such a treasonous phrase?  And the President of the United States of America actually states that he "...doesn't consider Atheist citizens, let alone Patriots?"  Are you starting to see the hypocricy?  Sadly, probably not.  We've been quietly living among you since long before Christianity.  We stand up for your rights, we applaud them, while you trample on ours in smug righteousness! The funny thing is, it's the Atheists who used to be pretty tolerant of religion, until they were forced to pledge allegiance to it morning, noon and night, when to them, it's a lie.  If the majority were Atheists, they would leave the religious alone, to pray privately, to your God, in peace.  You aren't a threat to them, in the unbelief, you're a constant annoyance and smug about it, make LIFE ON EARTH a hell for others.  You wouldn't threaten them as long as you left them alone to NOT believe.  They really do want to live in peace, trust me.  The BELIEVE this is the only chance they have of that and you continue to make it impossible to be the best it can be, in TRUE PEACE.  Can you not see that?  This is the best place to insert that question you always ask of us:  WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG! The ownership of PERSONAL values should be respected, as long as it is within the confies of the law.  The Christians, over time, have inserted religion into government, claiming it to be Constitional.  Two examples, in particular, are the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on our minted coins.  The men who share the face of those very coins would be appalled to have their likeness etched in the same space as such a phrase.  They understood the danger and supposed that they were clear enogh to convey it.  But you twist the words like they're as obscure of the ones in the Bible and you snciker in smug satisfaction of your victories, when in reality, you should be ashamed.  Not a single person objects to beautiful displays on church property or on private property.  Now I, PERSONALLY, am not offended by Christian displays, because they are part of my history.  I was raised in a Christian setting and the majority of that setting was loving and positive.  These are my symbols as well, even with the religious signifigance.  But I also understand why it would be offensive to those who were raised in a different way.  It's not their history, it's not their beleif.  It means nothing to them and makes them feels like they need to hide that FACT, because Christians are not exactly kind to our "ilk". BTW, there is a Church in the Community that I recently moved back to after an 11 year absence.  The main artery through here is a State Highway and when I moved away, I still had to pass through here to get in to the City and Close southern neighborhoods.  Anyway, they have a live Nativity every year on Christmas Eve and it still stirs enough emotion in me to bring tears to my eyes.  It's the parts of Christianity I liked.  The parts where people were being peaceful, kind, caring.  I haven't lost those parts, but I will never accept the others.  Sorry. Your friend, in humaity Cindi
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judge not{ for Ruger1} by GSDtravels on 13 December 2011 - 00:12	GSDtravels Post: 2392 of 2452 Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 01:30 pm Owner edit
"Im certainly glad that you are basicly a good person, but let me ask you one simple question. If that was me writing that about myself,I would immediately recieve some replies,that its all about you isnt it." Gouda, please do not insult the intelligence of anyone with a brain at this point.  I'm not writing the Bible, I'm not asking you for your interpretation of my words, I know what I wrote.  I made it perfectly clear that it's about me when it comes to ME and it's about you, when it's comes to YOU.  That's pretty much the definition of privacy. You're so used to interpreting because nothing you read is concrete, that you can no longer tell the difference.  You've gotten so used to using straw men your thought processes are outside the realm of reality, as others see it.  Maybe that makes you a Mystic and if so, have at it.  But for HEAVEN'S sake, leave us heathens in peace, that's all we ask.
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judge not{ for Ruger1} by gouda on 13 December 2011 - 01:12

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Cindi If I bother you so much,why then do you read what I have to say? There are thousands of other subjects, pick one you like and leave me alone. No one is forcing you to even talk to me.Why are you doing it,please answer that question. Allow me to ask you a simple question,do you use drugs or drink a lot of alcohol,im not accusing you,Im just asking.  Im asking,because you have short periods of time that yuo are fairly civil and may I say nicer than normal.  It seems to last just  so long,than you go back to being your old self. Ive had experience with people like that working in a soup kitchen for street and homeless people in the city of Oshawa when I lived there many years ago. Im definately not accusing you of doing any of that,just asking out of curiousity.    gouda

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judge not{ for Ruger1} by gouda on 13 December 2011 - 13:12	gouda Post: 383 of 440 Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:28 pm Owner edit
Beetre wrote   You know Gouda, you never rid yourself of additictions, you just transfer them to something else. You need that martyr fix, every day, don't you just. Its a wonderfull  feeling beind addicted to Jesus,never any withdrawal symtons. Beetree you seem to know a lot about addictions,are you having a problem with one or two of them?  I f you are,Christ can set you free.    gouda

Gouda, I left these posts alone for some time, because you're not worth the waste of brain power on my part to get through your thinck skull.  You talk in circles and then come back to the beginning again, never offering your views on anything.  Your entire reality is based on the Bible alone.  And you are jamming it down everybody's throat, continually.

So, since you had such a good reason to ask if I use drugs or alcohol and then pointed out my periods of lucidity and civility and then turn around and attack you for no reason.  Please point out exactly where in my posts that I have been UNcivil to you, when you are being nothing but civil to me. 

Redsable,

God was absolutely under no obligation to save anyone...

God being perfectly Holy could have justly left everyone to themselves..

    Humans having "original sin" meaning the sin we inherited from Adam has made every one of us deserving of the wrath of a holy, just ,and perfect God..This is a very difficult and offensive concept for many to accept....This comment maybe the most difficult yet for some people to wrap their head around..I understand why it would be,,

   We seem to forget that God did not owe us anything.. If God simply by His own choosing decided to be gracious in saving some why do we take offense??,, 

  If God had chosen to save only one that would have been more then He was obligated to save,,,When people are judged according to their deeds, it's just that..we will all give account before God one day for the choices/decisions we make....That should cause us to leave humbly and carefully before Him..

  Instead of finding fault with God because He does not operate according to the standards or traditions of man/woman..We should see Him as merciful, choosing to show His kind affection, towards an undeserving people...