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by Carlin on 28 July 2013 - 13:07

So do we take it you are not prepared to have your mind changed
on anything ?

This is what immediately struck me the first time I read through the thread.

by Two Moons on 28 July 2013 - 13:07

Someone came to the wrong house.

by vk4gsd on 28 July 2013 - 22:07

hund, please do not change my words when you quote me, that is dishonest.

i will change my mind on an issue/idea whenever there is something better to replace it with, so presently no.

so how many subsequent posts here have anything at all to do with the first post?

moons, what house are you referring to, are you posting from a nut-house?

by Hundmutter on 29 July 2013 - 04:07

Ok you said "it was not specifically a made for discussion thread".

So if that does not PRECLUDE discussion by anyone else, it does
make it like you don't expect / want to have a discussion on it.
So what's the diff ? What is 'dishonest' about what I said ?

by Mindhunt on 29 July 2013 - 11:07

A closed mind is a terrible waste of potential.....

by beetree on 29 July 2013 - 12:07

Well,

How about this? I can't remember where I read it, but I believe it was a reliable source that said, A ONE TIME "treatment" or reaching out for a sufferer of PTSS, can make matters worse. So if you want to help, be there for the long haul.

Also, there was a real cool therapy, with deep sea diving or some such, that was designed with the theory, to sort of record over the disturbing memories that affect the sleep of PTSS sufferer's. Any one else see that?

by Mindhunt on 29 July 2013 - 13:07

What is currently being used to treat PTSD at many VAs are the following and they are showing great success both initially and months later with continued reduction of symptoms:

- Talk therapy
- Mindfullness therapy (with emphasis on relaxation techniques, meditation, present centered focus)
- Once the client is consistent with mindfullness techniques
- EMDR
- Immersion therapy (visualization, guided remembering, and virtual reality software)
- Cognitive restructuring
- Interpersonal therapy
- In appropriate cases, learning self hypnosis to remain calm in stressful situations

Generally an integrative approach is tailored to each client's specific needs, abilities, and readiness. Thank goodness they are moving away from medicate-medicate-medicate and that horrible idea of giving beta blockers immediately following the "trauma" to block formation of memories. Studies show memories are still formed subconsciously but not consciously so there is no chance to bring those memories to the forefront (consciousness) and work through them. There have been quite a few studies on the effectiveness of teaching soldiers mindfullness techniques using a control group for comparison that was just taught the standard stress management techniques. The mindfullness techniques were a huge success but trying to get the military to accept the new techniques is a long process, despite the empirical evidence piling up.

by Two Moons on 29 July 2013 - 17:07

vk4,
I think we covered your original post quite well.
The idea that you could post something not meant for discussion on this forum is the wrong house vk4.

Clear it up any?

by vk4gsd on 29 July 2013 - 22:07

Clear it up any?

no

by Two Moons on 30 July 2013 - 00:07

Oh well,
doesn't matter now anyway, you've lost all credibility here as far as I'm concerned.
After looking around a bit it seems you have other problems elsewhere.
Credibility problems.

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