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by FLRanger on 26 June 2012 - 20:06
Ibrahim,
Where do you get your information as it is patently false (at best misleading). Zawahiri join the MB at age 14 although it may have been short lived. You are likely referencing that Zawahiri was a front man for the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, but as you likely know this is "nothing more" than a MB off-shot to some degree.
As for you "...do not forget that Al Qaeda was created, supported with money and weapons by the US and Saudi Arabia during Russian occupation of Afghanistan, this same Al Qaeda turned later against Saudi Arabia and the US (or this is what the US wants us to believe)..." you could not be MORE wrong. I can recommend many books/articles that help clarify where you are off in your thoughts, but in a quick nutshell:
1. Pakistan ISI (intelligence service) would not allow external agencies to conduct business with the Afghan Mujahideen (numerous reasons for this) so THEY were the money exchangers from the US to the "big-7" (look it up). If anything you would be correct in saying the US helped arm the Taliban, but to assert the arming of AQ is patently FALSE!
2. AQ at this time did not exist...it is likely AQ came into existance Desert Storm when the Saudi King told Osama to pound sand he would use the US vice "Muj" to defend the land of the two holy cities.
3. Not sure where you are getting AQ in Syria, but if they are there it must be in VERY SMALL numbers as the Allawite (Muslim sect that AQ believes are kaffirs) would have them on lock down. Perhaps more importantly, there are NO news reports of weapons (yet) going to the Free Syrian Army from at least the US in any numbers.
We can go back and forth debating ideology and small points, but lets be be very clear, the MB is NOT a peaceful organization....
I will close with the MB's "creed" to let other reader decide for themselves: "God is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."
Where do you get your information as it is patently false (at best misleading). Zawahiri join the MB at age 14 although it may have been short lived. You are likely referencing that Zawahiri was a front man for the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, but as you likely know this is "nothing more" than a MB off-shot to some degree.
As for you "...do not forget that Al Qaeda was created, supported with money and weapons by the US and Saudi Arabia during Russian occupation of Afghanistan, this same Al Qaeda turned later against Saudi Arabia and the US (or this is what the US wants us to believe)..." you could not be MORE wrong. I can recommend many books/articles that help clarify where you are off in your thoughts, but in a quick nutshell:
1. Pakistan ISI (intelligence service) would not allow external agencies to conduct business with the Afghan Mujahideen (numerous reasons for this) so THEY were the money exchangers from the US to the "big-7" (look it up). If anything you would be correct in saying the US helped arm the Taliban, but to assert the arming of AQ is patently FALSE!
2. AQ at this time did not exist...it is likely AQ came into existance Desert Storm when the Saudi King told Osama to pound sand he would use the US vice "Muj" to defend the land of the two holy cities.
3. Not sure where you are getting AQ in Syria, but if they are there it must be in VERY SMALL numbers as the Allawite (Muslim sect that AQ believes are kaffirs) would have them on lock down. Perhaps more importantly, there are NO news reports of weapons (yet) going to the Free Syrian Army from at least the US in any numbers.
We can go back and forth debating ideology and small points, but lets be be very clear, the MB is NOT a peaceful organization....
I will close with the MB's "creed" to let other reader decide for themselves: "God is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."
by BabyEagle4U on 27 June 2012 - 02:06
Operation Cyclone = the US Government funded and sent military aid to the Mujahideen in the 1980’s and then the Mujahideen later became what we know today as Al Qaeda.
I agree with Ibrahim.
I agree with Ibrahim.
by BabyEagle4U on 27 June 2012 - 02:06
The Muslim Brotherhood (according to Hannity) was the people who saved us a Hotel when we traveled to DC for the CPAC Straw Poll because Trump booked all the Hotels to keep us out of the area.
If it wasn't for Muhammed we wouldn't have been anywhere near the Convention Center. Hannity had a fit about it on his show and said the Ron Paul Revolution is in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood at the Motel 6 because Muhammed reserved a Hotel for C4L members and wouldn't book it for Trump.
LMAO
I agree with Motaz, the Muslim Brotherhood has a bad RAP because our MSM wants us to believe they have a bad RAP.
I really don't know though, what I do know is that Muhammed went out of his way to make sure us RP people and military were all booked together in the same Hotel minutes from the Convention Center and we got to where we needed to go on time, security provided and all. That was impressive.
If it wasn't for Muhammed we wouldn't have been anywhere near the Convention Center. Hannity had a fit about it on his show and said the Ron Paul Revolution is in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood at the Motel 6 because Muhammed reserved a Hotel for C4L members and wouldn't book it for Trump.
LMAO
I agree with Motaz, the Muslim Brotherhood has a bad RAP because our MSM wants us to believe they have a bad RAP.
I really don't know though, what I do know is that Muhammed went out of his way to make sure us RP people and military were all booked together in the same Hotel minutes from the Convention Center and we got to where we needed to go on time, security provided and all. That was impressive.
by FLRanger on 27 June 2012 - 14:06
Well, no amount of my educating will help, so I recommenr you read a few books BabyEagle. I think there is a VERY important distinction between the Taliban and al Qaeda (I'll leave it at that until you read some more).
As for MSM and the Convention, I have NO idea what in the heck you are talking about or how that is pertinent to anything.
I will stand by my assertion that the MB being in "charge" of Egypt is not a good thing for regional stability and only time will tell.
As for MSM and the Convention, I have NO idea what in the heck you are talking about or how that is pertinent to anything.
I will stand by my assertion that the MB being in "charge" of Egypt is not a good thing for regional stability and only time will tell.
by GSDNewbie on 29 June 2012 - 00:06
I have always been fond of Egypt. I was born in another part of Africa while my parents were living there for my father's employer. I was fortunate to see much of Africa and meet many of its peoples. He remained working in Egypt through the 80's and early nineties until he became terminally ill. I probably will never see it again in person unfortunately, but I wish it all the best to it's people and wish you all the very best Ibrahim.
Yvonne
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