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by gouda on 28 March 2014 - 20:03

by Red Sable on 28 March 2014 - 21:03
JPM’S TOP COMMERCIAL BANKRUPTCY LAWYER DEAD IN A MINIVAN HIT & RUN
http://www.silverdoctors.com/another-jpm-banker-dead-in-a-minivan-hit-run/
By the end of the weekend, Europe’s biggest war since 1945 will have begun or Putin will have started to send the troops on the border home,” declared Professor of the Naval War College at Boston University, John Schindler.'
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/a-rapid-russian-buildup-of-tanks-and-troops-with-tough-talk-from-president-vladimir-putin-raises-fears-war-with-ukraine-could-be-imminent/story-fni0xs61-1226867240935
by beetree on 30 March 2014 - 00:03
I can't believe we gave those "Russian thugs" the deal in the first place!!!
http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Defense-official-defends-Russian-chopper-deal-5358886.php
The Department of Defense said Friday it recognized Congress' concerns about its $550 million contract with Russia's state-owned arms dealer, but gave no indication it would heed repeated calls to cancel the deal.-------------------------
... Blumenthal said the department's response was "inexplicable and offensive," adding, "It is beyond belief to be saying that we should continue a contract with Russian thugs who have 40,000 to 100,000 troops massed on the Ukrainian border right now."
The president is condemning them, and the Defense Department is in effect bankrolling their aggression."

by Carlin on 30 March 2014 - 02:03
"It is beyond belief to be saying that we should continue a contract with Russian thugs who have 40,000 to 100,000 troops massed on the Ukrainian border right now."
The president is condemning them, and the Defense Department is in effect bankrolling their aggression."
There is so much wrong with this statement it is difficult to know where to even begin wading and cutting. I'll start by saying that at least these "thugs" (smh) pay for the arms. Other thugs, rebel thugs, we simply arm for free when it suits our own thuggish habit. Aggression? Condemning? Please. Time to look in the mirror.
by beetree on 30 March 2014 - 13:03
Wait a minute Carlin, just one thing—aren't we paying those "thugs", at the expense of our own workers, bleeding out our own dying economy? How can "sanctions" from the White House be taken seriously, if they can't even be consistent with labeling a "thug" properly. The decision to snub our own workers never included the idea we were dealing with "thugs" at the beginning of the deal making process. Obviously, Putin's KGB background was deemed irrelevant, or it was ignored, to suit some other purpose. So, yes, there should be a close inspection in the USA mirror.I'll start by saying that at least these "thugs" (smh) pay for the arms.
I don't see how Obama spouting "democracy will prevail" from one side of his mouth, http://www.voanews.com/content/obama-in-brussels-for-talks-with-eu-nato/1879388.html and, at the same time, it gets to be okay to pick and choose what parts make the Russian's state manufacturer's suddenly become thugs! http://Last week Russian Helicopters invited Rotor & Wing to tour the Rostvertol factory in Rostov on Don. The tour included the production line for the Mi-35M and Mi-28N Night Hunter attack helicopters, as well as a line refurbishing a couple of Mi-26s, the world’s biggest helicopter.
After GWB's hastiness landed us in the mess of invading Iraq, why oh why can't we learn from that? Obama and Kerry want to beat the drum up for widespread, "International" support without even half the threat and scare of WMD ! How doomed is this? They don't even sound like they believe in their own tactics, if one actually listens to Obama, or Kerry, speaking. Zero passion for a commitment. Misguided or otherwise.

by BabyEagle4U on 30 March 2014 - 13:03
Refer to Article 4. Section 4 in the US Constitution.

by Carlin on 30 March 2014 - 16:03
America isn't even a democracy. Democracy and anything other defacto gov is illegal in AMERICA !!!
Indeed it is.
Wait a minute Carlin, just one thing—aren't we paying those "thugs", at the expense of our own workers, bleeding out our own dying economy?
Perhaps, but that latent function would not seem to be intergral the hypocrisy of the US' position here. Even so, the talking heads "market" this democracy, as if in the end they should attain something of value. The "choice" in "modern democracy" is an illusion within the elitist olympianism at work. We "vote", when in essence, very little changes either way. We'd likey find ourselves in the same international debacle if Romney were in office. Ask Egypt how this is all working out for them. Or, ask any number of nations with oppressed populations but lacking any inherent economic or strategic value how much has attention they have received under far more duress. The knuclehead who is "elected" to office gives only the illusion that we exercise our rights. Policy is set from within the walls the government -a travesty, treason actually. The United States = the people of the US, not the bureaucracy run amok. Within this perverted form of "democracy", we do not govern, rather, a relatively small group of individuals determines what we would/should think benefits us all if we were actually as intelligent and capable as they are. Three problems here. One, is that their illness of mind equates to higher intelligence. Two, we have the right as individuals (per the DOI, for instance), to Eff-up if we so desire, period. Three, it's illegal. As such, we market this farce as being what all peoples across the globe would obviously desire under the guise of "choice", and the flawed idea that the current system could in any way ensure the standard of living, democratization of goods and services, and economic health and prosperity which isn't even sustainable at the world population penetration levels today.
How can "sanctions" from the White House be taken seriously, if they can't even be consistent with labeling a "thug" properly. The decision to snub our own workers never included the idea we were dealing with "thugs" at the beginning of the deal making process. Obviously, Putin's KGB background was deemed irrelevant, or it was ignored, to suit some other purpose. So, yes, there should be a close inspection in the USA mirror.
Thug. If I thought myself naive, I would offer that the only difference between our own version and the Russian nationalism version is a matter of method, with the motive and ends being one and the same on either side of the pond. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. If we take an honest look at the effects of our "investments", "contributions" (monetarily, or straight armament), or the hundreds of millions of dollars worth of black ops by which our CIA sabotages regimes who refuse to play ball with us, our way, we will find a trail leading to an ocean of blood. Last time I checked, murder for hire was still murder, and manslaughter will still put you away. Call your Congressman and demand better...oh wait, he doesn't work for you anymore.
by beetree on 30 March 2014 - 19:03
Three problems here. One, is that their illness of mind equates to higher intelligence. Two, we have the right as individuals (per the DOI, for instance), to Eff-up if we so desire, period. Three, it's illegal.
- I will comment on the first problem, here. And how does one avoid the "illness of mind", that is so subtle or undisguisably alluring, yet so intrinsic to power? Eventually, it is the average ones of us, who would start to believe in such fawning from subordinates, or other power groups, who just want something of what someone else has. I would think then, that makes a case for the slowness to make a real change, something taught and considered a strength in our government's three branch system?
I actually think the answer is in finding the right leader. I personally abhor commitee problem solving without a clear leader. It just is so uninspiring and time consuming. And instead of a steady, slow grind toward change, the gears just freeze waiting for everyone to catch up to speed, with a poor or non existant leader. If it is so illegal what bureaucracy has made of the founding fathers ideals, I gather we just don't care all that much as a nation. The "Occupiers" just made a defacto mess of our New Haven green. Nothing lasting about what they did, IMHO. The did accept their destruction, a payment for being squatters, and bought some grass seed as a sort of restitution.
- About Point Two. DOI? In NYC? The BOE rebuttal? I am missing something, or are you talking about something else? Still, one would think and hope people really are smart enough to plan and predict for their lives better than any group or institution. The "de facto thing" .... I hope I used that correctly,
, is that those large populated, disadvanted sectors are unimaginably apathetic for the most part, and the result is they often are, quite happy being dumb. Here is where the education of the populace seems to be the only answer. The variances in that, I know are something else altogether for discussion.
- Three. Illegal. All of it, or what? I know you and BE probably have a list a mile long. I would think your answer at any rate is: Less people wanting less. Hard to put that genie back in the bottle. Not without some sort of fire, or a phenomenal leader. Which will come first?
Call your Congressman and demand better...oh wait, he doesn't work for you anymore.
Touché!

by Carlin on 30 March 2014 - 19:03
And how does one avoid the "illness of mind", that is so subtle or undisguisably alluring, yet so intrinsic to power? Eventually, it is the average ones of us, who would start to believe in such fawning from subordinates, or other power groups, who just want something of what someone else has. I would think then, that makes a case for the slowness to make a real change, something taught and considered a strength in our government's three branch system?
Our system has been altered and subverted in a way (whether intentionally or not) which has undermined some of the natural protections put in place by the authors, to whom the pensions were not only a forgone conclusion of the human condition, but were also freshly cemented in mass consciousness. The aforementioned subversions are what I so often rail against, full well knowing who and what we all are. I think that many casually dismiss the care, vigor, and competence with which the model was executed.
I actually think the answer is in finding the right leader.
That guy has zero chance of getting elected, though, I am sure the substance of character exists. I also don't believe that the office exerts quite as much force as one might assume. These come and go after every four or eight. Right or left, the truth is found when one recognizes the trends across time and ideology, and it's not a pretty picture, IMO.
DOI = Declaration of Independence.
Not without some sort of fire, or a phenomenal leader. Which will come first?
As it turns out, I have already unknowingly answered that. Of course, there is another path, a most insidious one in which the we become so self-absorbed or distracted that we come to believe that there is no cause or set of values worthy of any kind of real sacrifice in perpetuity.

by Carlin on 30 March 2014 - 19:03
Illegal. All of it, or what? I know you and BE probably have a list a mile long.
It's not difficult to cite the instances which daily come to my attention, no. It's difficult to overstate the effect of both the apathy and ignorance you mention here. All to often the demagogues justify their activities counter to the law based upon their own ideologies - again, treason. No one is above the law, and contrary to the sentiment of many, the law is to be subject to the people, and the people only, not the executive, and originally, not the judiciary. It could be argued that the judicial needed more input, but over time this has expanded to mean legislating from the bench, practically speaking. When an activity or even a law is counter to the ultimate authority in a country, that law is said to be unlawful, regardless of whose desk or bench it came from.
I would think your answer at any rate is: Less people wanting less. Hard to put that genie back in the bottle.
Typically, an outside force must act upon human nature to precipitate that kind of change.
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