Serious Breeders - Page 9

I think there are serious breeders in all 3 types of dogs and even a breeder that is providing petdogs only can be serious in its passion, they all can breed the correct dog in their book

but as soon as breeders take a selective breeding route that makes the breed loose its original intent, or looses a large part of their genetic capabilities to make it exel in one venue only, one can wonder if that is the right direction for the breed/breeder

Those looking for serious breeders need to not listen to people like we have on this thread, the people that are bashing sport HAVE ZERO EXEPRIENCE IN SPORT. Aakay…tell us your involvement in sport and sport breeding?

For all those looking for information, this paragraph “In simple terms, it is called selective breeding. Over the past several years, via selective breeding, breeders have focused more and more on creating dogs that can finish on a "podium" (applies to both showdog and sport-dogs) and in the process, a number of the natural abilities that good LE GSDs require, got sacrificed,” is what the problem is. This is internet jargon repeated by jealous people who cannot compete or breed dogs that have the drive for the highest level of sport. This is exactly what you get from people who run kennels that you’ve never heard of because they lack the ability to train a dog to a podium (many times a club title) and therefore no one that has that ability would even bother looking to them for a puppy. Truthfully…if breeders have focused on creating dogs that can finish on a “podium” the podium finishers wouldn’t be searching the world for their dogs every 5 years, it would just be as easy as going to a breeder known for it and getting a puppy from them. Unlike LE…which breeders all over the world consistently produce for. Wonder why that is? Different level I guess.

This paragraph…”The sport-dog still looks like the prior versions, but via selective breeding, its focus (and the underlying genetics) has altered the dog into gaining "podium finishes" on a sporting field, than being well rounded GSDs with strong and balanced drives (prey, defense, hunt) and bedrock stable nerves that good LE dogs require. Some of these things (who put on a scintillating show on the sportsfield) are so nervy, with an inability to settle down, that they simply cannot sit still even for a second, (24/7/365), and one can see why they need to be crated all the time, once they come off the sports-field. This is the complete anti-thesis of what a good and balanced GSD is, and should be.” Comes from someone who has never actually met that many sport dogs and doesn’t train with them and therefore has no understanding of what they are. But again, shares information as if it’s true when it actually isn’t. Unfortunately the good ol’ boys club that runs this forum (the LE buffs that have commented so far) will not correct incorrect information about sport dogs because their whole goal is to minimize the quality of those dogs. So even when they know that the information is false, they leave it there in order to prove their overarching point that their dogs are the greatest.

The following statement, “Both Duke and Yogi have explained this, but don't know why this concept is so difficult for some people to understand.” Proves my final point, people support those who have similar ideas and opinions as them. Aakay tries to get some sort of credibility by brining in two others who do have more experience than him as if they’re going to back him up. He likes what they say, so he supports them, and in turn, expects support from them. There is lack of an open-mind and any kind of learning, it’s just a search for confirmation rather than good information.

If anyone's wondering how any of this relates to people getting good dogs and finding serious breeders...this type of information is extremely detrimental to new people finding the right breeder. This is the stuff that makes them not look towards people that are doing things with their dogs and proving temperament, and just leads them to whomever is close by and claiming to have "the BEST German Shepherds." Instead of looking for the people that are investing time and figuring out their dogs, they see these types of posts and fall for the sales pitches of breeders who are claiming to produce "police dogs" and whatever else they can claim that can't be proven through simple research. If all these people on the amazing PDB can breed dogs without having to actually put in any work, why can't my neighbor do the same and produce these amazing dogs? And then that's exactly how you get the nervy dog at the IPO club "just getting by."

As u said bw on many occasions le sports dogs all cover and hide problems so with that said nobody can be trusted. So buy your dog and see what u get as it grows and by the way IV breed 1 litter in about 6 year's and that was last year. And I will breed 1 this year so I'm not interested in breeding unless I can't find anything I like and by the way I raised all 3 males from the little for a little over a year as I did 6 years ago so I know what I breed. And believe me I'm honest about what I have

Barenfang: Seriousl breeders breed for a correct dog. Not for a Sport or Show dog. They breed for the correct dog, period. There is no need to drift off to LE vs Sport!

I agree BE.  That we need to breed for the correct dog.  A "correct dog" when it refers to the GSD, would be environmentally stable, have a good balance of all of the fundamental drives (prey, defense, hunt etc) along with strong and stable nerves.  Such a dog can be used for a variety of purposes, including as a family companion, sheepherding, LE, PP, sport etc., depending on the way the dog is trained.

With an exclusive focus on prey/play-drive (something that's required for the "podium"), and selectively breeding for it, the current sport-dogs (the ones who can compete at the higher levels of sport) are so far off the GSD norm of a versatile problem-solver and family companion, that other than the physical resemblance to a GSD, there is nothing "correct" about them.

 

 

Are we even looking at the same breed? This breed is not dead. Its far from being a dead breed.

Do we have issues? Sure. We have problems. But its nothing that cannot be corrected.

There is more than enough Oomph left in this breed. And more than enough serious breeders.

LE Handlers wont ever even get their hands on a serious dog like Dexter because quite frankly a dog like him would be wasted in LE. Dogs like him are needed for breeding. So was Veus vom Smaragdwald.
Man, did this dog produce so far. Multiple very serious dogs in ours and other litters and you can already see it.

Personally I was lucky enough to grow up with a certain type of dog and I strive for this type of dog. I dont know if that makes me a serious breeder or not. I am also known to take certain risks that people will shredd you to pieces for. But everytime I have taken a risk, I was rewarded and would do so again.

Anyhow, what I think makes a serious breeder is a breeder that knows his dogs and is honest to himself about those dogs. Once you know your dogs you can breed for the good and leave the bad.

Do we have issues? Sure. We have problems. But its nothing that cannot be corrected. Not when the breed is full of lying money grabbing don't care what the breed and who the sell to.


Anyhow, what I think makes a serious breeder is a breeder that knows his dogs and is honest to himself about those dogs. Once you know your dogs you can breed for the good and leave the bad.
And that is what I said page's back proves u don't read the post and what is the point in a discussion opinions from the top your head after reading or scanning the thread.

BE wrote ;Do we have issues? Sure. We have problems. But its nothing that cannot be corrected

geneticly, once certain traits are bred out, you cannot correct that, that is impossible, so I disagree with above statement

Its still in the breed, so it can still be corrected. You can absolutely breed aggression back into your dogs by using the right male or female. Now if we are talking nerve and confidence etc. Than I agree. 

I think it depends where you look. If, by anyone's own admission, they spend ALL their time around e.g. Sports dogs and sport dog people, I think they tend to miss out on a lot of what is going on in other 'parts' of the breed - and with no real knowledge they therefore make it up as they go along about what others may or may not be doing / producing. And then come to believe their own lines.