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by Bavarian Wagon on 30 August 2017 - 17:08

No frustration, I've told you plenty of times I know you've tested every dog in Europe and provide every single dog to every single LE agency in the United States. Every dog goes through you. You're the master of LE dogs, I don't deny you know way more about that side of things. How can I when you've provided all the dogs in the United States and know exactly what every little department in America is looking for? It would be stupid to deny that. There's no way there's any variation in what LE departments in the United States look for or trainers look for since you've spoken to all of them and have sold them every dog they've ever had.

by duke1965 on 30 August 2017 - 18:08

again, frustration and Exaggeration, nothing more, now knowledge, no facts

and yes my dogs go to homeland security,border patrol, DOD, TSA, MTA, multiple departments and a dozen other countries so I know what im talking about,

but he, some regional competitors bit on your sleeve so cannot top that
yogidog

by yogidog on 30 August 2017 - 18:08

An image

by Bavarian Wagon on 31 August 2017 - 13:08

That's how much you know dukey...you're right, those are regional competitors. Yet again a jealous filled rant from someone that can't achieve what some trainers and dogs can do. Next time you decide to call WUSV/FCI world team members regional level, please let me know what flight you're in for the WUSV or FCI next month.

 

And people wonder why "newbies" get steered the wrong way. New people don't see through the bullshit and jealousy. They don't get that stories are used in order to romanticize and tug at the emotions rather than logic. They get a dog based on that, and the thing isn't capable of anything.


by beetree on 01 September 2017 - 00:09

True, getting past the newbie stage is an eye opener for the buyer.

Trying to gain the gravitas of a serious breeder without any real or serious accomplishments becomes the slickest of tricks, too.
aaykay

by aaykay on 01 September 2017 - 00:09

Good working dogs are found less and less from among the point-dogs that are being praised here by BW. He/she doe not seem to get the point, despite being told multiple times by people who make a living from providing working dogs to various organizations. Bottomline, dogs custom-bred (via "selective breeding") to rack up points in a sports-field, for a "podium finish", no longer translate into good working dogs.

Nobody debates that there are some good working dog genetics still available from among the point-dogs, but those are getting fewer and fewer as the years go by, with the focus shifting away from excellent nerves, environmental stability and strong/balanced drives, into what's pejoratively referred to as "prey monkeys" who can put on a good show and rack up points in a sports-field.

Just like the showdogs have degenerated to the point where they are no longer considered working dog material, this point-dog offshoot from the working lines have also degenerated into material that should just play in sporting venues for "podium finishes" but lack the genetics anymore for doing real work and lack the stability to being left uncrated, when back home. 

aaykay

by aaykay on 01 September 2017 - 01:09

The only videos I've ever seen from you or duke have always had the same background, usually with a helper jacking the dog up in drive before it’s sent for some sort of bite…real tests.

If the test environment is setup well, with a mixture of smooth floors, other areas where the ground moves with unstable footing,  metallic flooring, voluminous dark areas with large, dark shapes/shadows and unusual loud metallic noises etc., and the dog is able to operate well when introduced to that place for the first time as part of the test (without being custom conditioned in that venue with dozens of repetitions), it will tell volumes about the dog's suitability as working dog material. Lately, very few of the point-dogs display the nerve stability to function well, once the venue moves away from the sports arena. 

If a dog who can finish with high points and gain a "podium finish" with scintillating performance on a sports-field, shuts down (tail between the legs and cowering) during an indoor search action on polished floors or while walking on top of a metal grille where the surface is unstable/shaky, how good is the underlying genetics for real work ? When people state that lately these "selectively bred" unbalanced point-dogs display crappy nerve responses in such non-standard environmental situations, due to poor underlying nervebase, and thus are unsuitable for any kind of real work, start believing it. 

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 01 September 2017 - 05:09

Sigh..... and here we go again.... this is getting seriously annoying and boring.

by Bavarian Wagon on 01 September 2017 - 13:09

It's unfortunate that this forum allows people to spew false information like aakay has done. I try to tell the truth and get warned for it, but stuff like that is allowed to stay up and so newbies never get the correct information when they go online and try to do some research. Someone who doesn't have any idea or any first hand knowledge of what the podium/points dogs are like is spewing that kind of trash and this forum allows it to stay up because the majority of breeders/people can't score points and still need to sell dogs so it's easy for everyone to team up and attack those that are successful.

Comments like this "Lately, very few of the point-dogs display the nerve stability to function well, once the venue moves away from the sports arena." are clearly from someone who has absolutely no first hand knowledge and is just repeating what some other jealous failure in the sport/breed is spewing because they need to make a puppy sale. But that's the dog world for you, keep the newbies in the dark so that someone out there can make a buck.

 

I get "called out" and demeaned for actually working high level dogs and having the experience around them, warned to not respond, yet someone else who has never had that experience and won't actually admit to having no experience with those dogs will make false statements about them and it's allowed to be up there like its a fact of life. Good luck to people looking for GSDs or any other breed...unless you go to a breeder that the forum "in-crowd" has approved of, they'll find something wrong with them.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 01 September 2017 - 13:09

How many of you have met Dexter or Gazze in person?
Are there undesirable dogs thrown? Of course but you find that in the Dutch breedings as well.

Those dogs are not for the faint of heart.

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