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by elizabeth on 27 August 2004 - 14:08

I stand corrected Dawnmarei, Those questions did not belong on the subject of "breeder in CT". Just came about because after reading the other posts, I found the name in the results. I also have heard lots of stories and agree that broken friendships and marriages probable cause the most "enemies". As far as the other, never met the person, did see part of a trial where he was judging. Seemed very personable. My question probable not presented well but merely asking because I had heard that since the short lived position with the 'mother' club, there was some bad feelings. Then noticed the change of officers for the new group. It just seemed strange. Kinda like the stories from Germany. One of those days when I had too much extra time. Again, sorry if I offended you. Hope the weather is great wherever you live and that you and your son get to go out and enjoy the day!

by Dawnmarei on 27 August 2004 - 16:08

Elizabeth, I am trying to understand your intent here, so keep an open mind a minute. Although it really should not be an issue, the only reason why Bogdan isn't VP, from what i heard, is because the club got bigger and more members joined and there was no need for him to have to be VP, quite simple. Board positions should be shared, the same people shouldnt be doing it year after year.. i personally think most board positions should change yearly to give everyone a chance. There are no bad feelings with the PC and him, at least i never heard there were, anyway. If i am mistaken and its true, people clash, i would bet it had nothing to do with the mans training ability or his personality. Some people want out of big clubs because they DONT want to be a part of the politics... not saying that happened, as i really have no idea because again, i never heard one bad thing about Bogdan. Next time i see him, I will ask, and perhaps you should do the same when you see anyone from the club, its a shame to start rumors where thousands of people view this webpage, although i am sure that was not your intent, bad things can come out of a post that was meant innocently.. gotta be careful. Oh, Elizabeth, i think you know where i live, you already said you have been to my website and its on there as clear as day where I live :) I do hope my son and I get to go out, school starts...SOON i gotta go get uniforms and books and all that stuff.. ok... now everyone, no more gossip and everyone back to dog training!!! me included lol

by elizabeth on 28 August 2004 - 03:08

Oh Dawnmarei, I could care less where you live. Your website is on the WDA event calander. You post the link to try to make money off photo shots you take of other people's property. Do you have their permission to use photoshots of their dogs to promote your $ gain? I would have to wonder about legal issues here. About your Mr. Sergo, let us all wait and see what is rumor and what is fact. I do not reside in CT and do not know these people. I have never met the 8 or 10 people mentioned on their web as members of this club. To say the least a very small number but perhaps they are not publicly listing membership. Again, no offense to Chuck (the VP) but how can someone become an officer of a "working" dog club without any Sch or show credentials? Maybe this is one of the major problems with the development of respectable clubs. A vast amount of information is compiled from web searches. Some gargage, some worth pursueing. Some just to tuck away for future reference who NOT to deal with. I did click on your web page and found your photography mediocue but in looking back through your posts, I find your protection phase for this club to be a 97. Although you claim not to be associated, you are definitely on the "attack" mode to anything said about them. I read the post on here about Messler, but did not feel the need to contact him. And although I think that he may be a very reputable person, I did not feel the need to defend him on this board. I read the post on here about the SV without a breed warden but did not feel the need to contact the SV. I read the post on here about Lebenshunger and did contact someone with a dog from this kennel BECAUSE I am looking to buy a puppy and did previously contact Lebenshunger on the internet. If you are within your rights to put other people's property on your web to advance your monetary gain, then good luck to you. But if you are wrongfully advertising someone else's dog for your gain, I hope that they visit your site and and file lawsuits against you. Please do not try to patronize me, more bad things come from HIDDEN facts than from the truth.

by Dawnmarei on 28 August 2004 - 05:08

i have to post two different posts i didnt have enough room :) *******You post the link to try to make money off photo shots you take of other people's property. Do you have their permission to use photoshots of their dogs to promote your $ gain? I would have to wonder about legal issues here.****** Let me share with you, in case you sincerely didnt know. those photos are MY PROPERTY, MY COPYRIGHT they are not taken on PRIVATE property, Do you know anything about the "Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works" Photography comes under that category. Some insight, my photos that i take are only sold to those who own the dog, i have never had anyone ask to purchase photos of someone else's dog, quite honestly. Some more insight... i dont push my photos on anyone, actually, i probably should LOL. If its my professional gig, and i am hired by the club, then they get mailed PROOFS. If I am asked to take photos on the sidelines, like I was at the E. CT show, I will also email them PROOFS. If i have no clue whose dog it is, its on my website, eventually the word will get out.. i dont hunt anyone down. I am not the GSD Paparazzo LOL I enjoy taking pictures for folks so they can see their dogs and so they have these photos down the road, GOD FORBID something happen to them. I mostly take candid shots.. the fun shots no one bothers to take. I am not able to work my full time profession until i get surgery, so i decided to start this Photo Gig, because as far back as i can remember, everyone always loved my pictures, i always just gave them away... and i still do. I wont get rich that way i know, LOL but its what i enjoy doing. Some day perhaps i will make some money, but til then, rest assured i am not pimping off peoples animals. *****If you are within your rights to put other people's property on your web to advance your monetary gain, then good luck to you. But if you are wrongfully advertising someone else's dog for your gain, I hope that they visit your site and and file lawsuits against you.***** I must reiterate that you pay attention to what you are saying, as you are appearing to slander me publicly. There might be a law against that, I would also advise learning what you are talking about FIRST, to not embarrass yourself publicly, again refer to Berne Convention above. Email me if you really are interested in learning about the copyright laws.

by Dawnmarei on 28 August 2004 - 06:08

*****Oh Dawnmarei, I could care less where you live.****** Perhaps i read more into it.. you made it a point to mention to me to have fun wherever i lived, however you certainly thought you knew more about me than you did, so therefore that would lead one to believe you were so in tune with my website, yet you didnt know where i was from and it clearly states in big letters where I am from? Its really not a big deal... you have to understand my skepticism. Perhaps my apology is in order as i thought you were very much aware of the negative publicity that was going on here in June in regards to the above club. I dont think anyone should say anything about ANY club on here. imo *****Your website is on the WDA event calander***** Mine is?? Kewl, i had no idea. can you send me the link.. I would love to see it. I knew the local club had something, but didnt realize the GSDCA-WDA event calendar had me on there. *****About your Mr. Sergo, let us all wait and see what is rumor and what is fact***** ummm MY Mr Sergo... better not let his wife hear this.. LOL I do not own Mr. Sergo, however, he is a really PATIENT dog trainer... i would LOVE to borrow him tho, for a free SchH title perhaps on my next bitch lol *****I do not reside in CT and do not know these people. I have never met the 8 or 10 people mentioned on their web as members of this club. To say the least a very small number but perhaps they are not publicly listing membership.***** Ok, thats kewl, so then if you do not know these people, why are you appearing so negative about them? Curious, if you are not, my apologies.

by Dawnmarei on 28 August 2004 - 06:08

(have to divide this it wouldnt let me post the whole thing) *****Again, no offense to Chuck (the VP) but how can someone become an officer of a "working" dog club without any Sch or show credentials? Maybe this is one of the major problems with the development of respectable clubs***** Elizabeth, how do you know anything about Chuck whoever he is? How do you know he doesnt have any SchH or Show Credentials? What does that have to do with being a board member? A board position is for business meetings, right? Perhaps he has some business sence? I have no idea who he is, so i cant say anything about him. *****I did click on your web page and found your photography mediocue but in looking back through your posts, I find your protection phase for this club to be a 97.***** Mediocue? What is that? Oh Im sorry, you mean mediocre? Unfortunately, i do not have the capability to post all my photos and i am confident in my abilities that i do not need to worry about what i have on my very little webpage. Its all for fun... when I am RICH... i will probably hire Joan, from my club and have her do it for me LOL you can only do so much with free AOL pages. You are very welcome to introduce yourself to me at the NASS in Wisconsin and I will have my laptop and you may critique my work there. Be advised, there are thousands of photos in there... i dont know why, but everyone keeps asking me to get pictures of their dogs. Its fun after the shows to eat dinner and see what is out there for dogs. ***** Although you claim not to be associated, you are definitely on the "attack" mode to anything said about them****** Attack? Hardly, lol I would do that if someone said that about anyone who had no reason to just start talking about a club that had nothing to do with anything with the topic on hand. I do not belong to a local SchH club, I dont have the time to make the commitment, its not fair to take that time away from others who are serious in a club. I went to this clubs show, and they were very accomodating and very nice ... they were organized and efficient with paperwork. I was only technically introduced to one person ... who seemed like a lot of fun. Not a big deal. I met the folks in NC for last years WDA show.. they were AWESOME.. that little club handled all those entries.. i would defend them too, if someone said something about them.. I visited a working dog club a few yrs ago.. very kind and accomodating and helpful with my Am Bred i had that i wanted to do protection work, they were honest and didnt candy coat anything and were kewl to me and my dog.. and i barely knew them.. i would defend them as well as my association with them was positive as well. Its better to see the positive in folks. *****I read the post on here about Messler, but did not feel the need to contact him. And although I think that he may be a very reputable person, I did not feel the need to defend him on this board**** Messler as in SV Judge Mr. Peter Messler? See now the difference between those who refer to him as Messler if you are speaking of Mr. Messier and myself, is I wouldn't disrespect the mans position by calling him by his last name. Just good up ringing i guess. I thought he was a kewl guy, gave my bitch SG1 and a kicka$$ critique in Canada LOL In closing, if you recall, you started this, not I :) to not use up space on the webpage here, you may email me privately, OR i will be happy to respond here as well. It does take me a very long time to type with this darn injury of mine, but I am just writing back to your post so we can just leave it be doesnt matter to me. I am just sitting here while my friends are in Germany having fun!!!

by elizabeth on 29 August 2004 - 04:08

Dawnmarei, I have forward my posts to my brother (a corporate attorney) I have asked him to look over ALL the stuff on here (including your claim to copyrite under "Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works"). "Let me share with you, in case you sincerely didnt know. those photos are MY PROPERTY, MY COPYRIGHT they are not taken on PRIVATE property, Do you know anything about the "Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works" U Photography comes under that category." I honestly did not know anything about this but can guarantee you that I will know much more very soon.And I will know if the property was private or not. I still personally do not find any comprehensible way that you should be able to "copyrite" someone else's property. And what about the letigation of your photos of a dog presented by you on your web page showing a lesser quality of said dog costing the owner loss of his/her possible investment? But I will wait to hear from my brother. Second, I take offense to your response about "slander" as a threat to me. I have asked his professional opinion of this. You may file any legal action that you seem applicable but keep in mind that a counter suit for wrongful process would be expected. Again, I look forward to hearing from my brother. Next subject... How do I know about Chuck? Everyone has heard about Chuck and his "service dog". I won't go further. As far as how I found out about you. If you go to the WDA webpage and then to the events calendar and then to the results of the NE Regional....on their webpage they have your link... I have the utmost respect for Messler, although I have never shown under him, but was making a point not trying to declare any personal preference, but in Germany, you use last names when you address a person. If I neglected to give his titles, it certainly was no disrepect intended. You continue to try to create some sort of defense to any comments about this club as immediatley being personal attacks. I have no personal interest in this club and feel very sorry that you are so paranoid about any comments made about them. I simply was asking questions and sharing information that I had heard. Have a good day.

by the greek on 10 September 2004 - 08:09

TO MRS ELIZABETH,OR SHOULD I SAY RAEGIN ( THE LITTLE GIRL FROM THE MOVIE THE EXORSIST) STILL SPITTING GREEN PEA SOUP, I'M SURE EVERYONE WOULD JUST LOVE TO KNOW WHO THE HE-- YOU ARE,OR WHERE YOUR FROM. WON'T YOU PLEASE TELL US YOUR FULL NAME.OR ARE YOU TO EMBARREST. I KNOW DAWNMARIE AND THINK SHE IS A SWEETHEART,TAKES NICE PICTURES,AND LIKE SHE SAID OFFERS THEM TO THE OWNER OF THE DOG OR DOGS.WHY DO YOU CONSTANLY HAVE TO ATTACK PEOPLE AND SAY SUCH NEGATIVE THINGS,YOU LIBERIAL BIT--. DON'T YOU HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR PATHTIC LIFE.AFTER HEARING THE WAY YOU ALWAYS TALK ABOUT YOUR WONDERFUL BROTHER (SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD BE HEARING SOME MUSIC FROM THE MOVIE DELIVERENCE)DE- DE- DE- DE- DE- DE- DE- DE- DE, DOM-DOM -DOM -DOM-DOM DOM-DOM -DOM- DAH, DAH- DAH DAH- DAH DAH, DAH- DAH DAH DAH ENOUGH! YOU GUYS ALITTLE CLOSE YES? GIVES US ALL A BREAK AND GO BACK TO THE JERRY SPRINGER SHOW! (TRAILER PARK TRASH) WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? OR WHAT HAVE YOU EVER DONE WITH DOGS? WAIT PLEASE DON'T ANSWER THAT,THERE ARE YOUNG MINDS THAT READ THIS.DO US ALL THE FAVOR AND CRAWL BACK UNDER YOUR ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Dawnmarie on 11 September 2004 - 00:09

oh wow i forgot about this post lol let me know what ya hear Elizabeth in regards to copyright... maybe your brother knows more than my attorney, probably not.. with all he represents in Manhattan...... he would know both sides of the streets lol anyway.. this is done.. i appreciate the heads up on my webpage being on the site.. that was pretty nice of them to appreciate me taking the pics and making up a quick page for them :) i really am scum arent? lol

by elizabeth on 11 September 2004 - 01:09

In my haste to read posts that may have something productive to offer, I almost missed this important one. Yeah right, my God, it is the Greek and Dawnmarie Show and they even know each other. That is a surprise. I am sure that your attorney is very good Dawnmarie. At least I would hope that he is. I know that you count on it, but then, you probable don't have much to loose. And as for the Greek (probable a sheep farmer) where do you draw all your fast experience from? I bet you are really an achiever in the GSD World. I don't think that anyone really cares who you are but they already know where you are from. Interesting how you all "band" together. Wow, I wish I could move to CT and really dominate the dog sport. Enough time wasted on this sort of garbage, it is really pathetic to even respond to your ignorance. Seriously, you both need to get a life.





 


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