by Hundmutter on 16 August 2019 - 20:08
Yogi I'd normally agree with that but there was a point until fairly recently where this dog's weight had started dropping off a bit too rapidly, prompting health concerns. Having got him stabilised again at around 37 & a half k, I am not in much of a rush at the moment to interfere with how much he gets (kibble manufacturer's recommendation less about 5%). He is responsive on other new exercises and modifying other things he partly knows how to do already, it is just this outside Down I'm having probs with, so I honestly don't think he isn't working on it because he isn't hungry. He won't 'follow my hand' down with a ball either (despite I have now got him obsessed with 2-Ball !).
by apple on 19 August 2019 - 12:08
by Hundmutter on 19 August 2019 - 13:08
Even if I was inclined to use this forceful method, my point is that these days I cannot be sure of the physical strength, ability and consistency to do it properly (without risking damaging myself or the dog); and, I'm sure you would agree, once would normally not be enough, so I'd be struggling with the repetitions. I am quite old enough to have seen - and performed - these sorts of methods in past years, and am actually quite glad that these days most of us have left them behind; I do not think they do very much to enhance the bond between dogs and owners.
by Q Man on 19 August 2019 - 14:08
I think a lot of ideas have been tossed about but don't seem to help you...
You can also have the dog up on a table (outside) and work on the commands...I'm sure you know but when you begin to "Generalize" a command then it begins to make sense to the dog...
I use "Motivational" techniques for teaching but when it comes to competing at a higher level there almost always requires some compulsion...You can limit the amount of compulsion used...If you'd use the foot on the leash method...you don't have to force the dog down...Only hold the dog in a position that he/she will do the command in time...Then you can reward the dog with food while still in the down position...Just some ideas...
by Hundmutter on 19 August 2019 - 19:08
Don't agree the ideas so far don't help - I am starting to work with place marking, using a towel (that can gradually be made smaller) at first INDOORS where he will lie down on it, and gradually moving it to outside - as suggested to me by Centurian in a PM. This may take a little time to do, slowly and thoroughly, but I have high hopes for it. And in the meantime outdoors I am also trying Sunny's friend's bench idea - again, in incremental steps. I think we will get there eventually, even though this middle-aged gent of a dog has left his puppyish enthusiasm well in his past. I certainly feel I have more options than I did before I asked the question.
Re the foot on the leash, I already said I may be able to use that, in response to your earlier post - but NOT in the way that Woodhouse used to use it and Apple was referencing. As you say, you can limit the compulsion used.
by Hundmutter on 19 August 2019 - 20:08