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Shtal

by Shtal on 14 October 2011 - 05:10

Deuteronomy 18:11-13

 
One who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
Or anyone using secret force on people, or putting questions to a spirit, or having secret knowledge, or going to the dead for directions. "For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you.
You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 


I see perfect Biblical connection why Bible is against Halloween....

by beetree on 14 October 2011 - 12:10

Correction: Shtal is against giving out candy to little kids dressed up as monsters. LOL

by beetree on 14 October 2011 - 12:10

clc29: I bought them online at Solutions.com. I just checked-- they are on sale, still!


by Bob McKown on 14 October 2011 - 14:10

All Hallow's Eve

MARY REED NEWLAND

One of the nicest surprises of living around the year with the Church is to find that Halloween is part of it.

 

Not that the Mass of the day has mention of black cats, or the Divine Office of witches, but for so long Halloween meant nothing but parties and vandalism that when someone first proposed that it came out of the liturgy, I asked: "Are you sure?"

You still hear people doubt it, even when you show them that Halloween is All-Hallows'-Eve which is the night-before-All-Saints'- Day. Some tell me they understand that Halloween pranks were a post-Reformation contribution to plague Catholics who kept the vigil of All Saints. Now it is possible that Halloween was abused for such a purpose; nevertheless, during all the Christian centuries up until the simplification of the Church calendar in 1956, it was a liturgical vigil in its own right and thus has a reason for being. Learning this, one pious lady of our acquaintance was heard to say: "Oh, I'm so glad to know that. I was about to write my congressman and suggest the whole thing be outlawed."

A celebration much like our Halloween, with bonfires and feasting on apples and nuts and harvest fruits, was part of pagan worship for centuries. The Britons celebrated in honor of their sun-god with bonfires, a tribute to the light that brought them abundant harvest. At the same time they saluted Samhain, their "lord of death," who was thought to gather together at last the souls of the year's dead which had been consigned to the bodies of animals in punishment for their sins. The Romans celebrated the same kind of festival at this time in honor of their goddess Pomona, a patroness of fruits and gardens. Whether the Church "baptized" these customs or chose this season for her feasts of the dead independent of them, their coincidence shows again how alike men are when they seek God and His ways, give praise, use the language of symbols to express the inexpressible.

It was in the eighth century that the Church appointed a special date for the feast of All Saints, followed by a day in honor of her soon-to-be saints, the feast of All Souls. She chose this time of year, it is supposed, because in her part of the world it was the time of barrenness on the earth. The harvest was in, the summer done, the world brown and drab and mindful of death. Snow had not yet descended to comfort and hide the bony trees or blackened fields; so with little effort man could look about and see a meditation on death and life hereafter.

Apparently how you spent the vigil of All Saints depended on where you lived in Christendom. In Brittany the night was solemn and without a trace of merriment. On their "night of the dead" and for forty-eight hours thereafter, the Bretons believed the poor souls were liberated from Purgatory and were free to visit their old homes. The vigil for the souls, as well as the saints, had to be kept on this night because of course the two days were consecutive feasts — and a vigil is never kept on a feast.

Breton families prayed by their beloveds' graves during the day, attended church for "black vespers" in the evening and in some parishes proceeded thence to the charnel house in the cemetery to pray by the bones of those not yet buried or for whom no room could be found in the cemetery. Here they sang hymns to call on all Christians to pray for the dead and, speaking for the dead, they asked prayers and more prayers.

Late in the evening in the country parishes, after supper was over, the housewives would spread a clean cloth on the table,


by Bob McKown on 14 October 2011 - 14:10


 Just a thought:

                          "In the name of god" have been more Wars, Murders,Burnings,Rapes, death and Innocent dead then anything else before it. So quote your scriptures that were written by men who felt they were influenced by god as long as you like. When god and I talk together he never mentions it to me....    

gouda

by gouda on 14 October 2011 - 15:10

Hi Bob

What God do you talk with.

Is it the one that you blashphemed,and said philthy things about last year Jesus Christ?

  gouda

gouda

by gouda on 14 October 2011 - 15:10


by beetree on 14 October 2011 - 15:10

 Wrong thread...cheeky

by Bob McKown on 14 October 2011 - 15:10


 Ah a pastor with a PHD there is a contradiction of terms.

 You mean That Jesus has more in common with Osama Bin Laden then any white anglo saxon on earth?? Guess the difference is Osama could,nt walk on water which is now more obvious then ever...


 God and I have wonderful conversations, he has a great sense of humor.  
 

by Bob McKown on 14 October 2011 - 15:10


 Sorry beetree. I digress.

 Happy Halloween!!!





 


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