German Sieger Show question - Page 1

Has a dog that is non German born ever become VA1 at the annual Sieger Show in Germany? What does it take by way of campaigning to get a dog to the top? I know there are politics involved but I'm wondering if an outstanding dog from outside of Germany would ever have a chance at the top honor, not that I have one. Just wondering. Thanks for your input. Judy K

Dux della Valcuvia, Dumbo von der Dolomiten, Max della loggi dei Mercanti,,Milla Vom Fruteto, and Heilei's Farina are all VA dogs that were born outside of Germany. What does it take? Luck and a good german partner. Its very hard to VA without a German partner preferably a German Judge.

Winning the Seiger show is another story.I am not aware of any actually winning the seiger Title.

ok i was wrong..Milla Fruteto did in 2001.

What do you mean "German partner"? Do you mean a person who co-owns the dog? Thanks Judy

Maybe I wasn't clear about what show. I meant the BSZS which I think is in Ulm this year. And Yasko won in 2001. Thanks for your input, Judy

yes yasko did when the sieger title. but the siegerin was milla. I didnt think it matter if it was male or female. Yes a german co owner to campaign and handle your dog in german will help alot. with so many dogs being at the show. The run up shows prior to the big seiger helps your dog catch the eye of the judge. campaigning him or her in germany for months before the Seiger Show will make a big difference too.

In 1975, there is an Italian female mentioned in first spot of the VA-list, although I am not sure if they awarded VA-1, VA-2 and so on. Her name was Mosca di Val Tiepido, SchH2, bred in Italy and owned by an Italian. In 1987, there was Siegerin Senta v. Basilisk, SchH3 FH, who was bred and owned by Josef Roelli from Switzerland. The only foreign bred Sieger I am aware of is the 1994 Sieger, VA-1 Kimon v. Dan Alhedy's Hoeve, SchH3, bred in the Netherlands, but owned by Mr. Schweikert. There were quite a few influentual VA-dogs though which are still all to present in our dogs: Lasso di Val Sole (Italian), Puetz v. Arjakjo (Netherlands), Fando v. Suedblick (Betherlands), Odin v. Tannenmeise (Netherlands - who should have been VA-1), Shanto's Xano (Netherlands), Max della Loggia dei Mercanti (Italian), Dux della Valcuvia (Italian). I might have forgotten a couple. It is easier to get a VA-rating on females, since they do not have to prove their value through progeny, unless it is the Siegerin. I am guessing that Ceddy meant "German partner" in a way that your male needs to reside in Germany to be available for stud, so he can produce progeny. Without progeny, he would get a VA-rating once, if you get lucky but certainly not again or even VA-1. To accomplish that, you would need a German partner. This is not meant in a "political" sense. When you go through the records, you will notice that breeders from the Netherland and Italy have had profound influence from early on (70's and 80's). In the late 80's and 90's, breeders from Spain, Denmark and France appeared on the scene as well. They all share one common thing though: All located in Europe close by! Hope that answers your question! Chris

One more thing: Although it sounds Italian and the breeder probably is (his name is), he is located in Viernheim, Germany, old acquaintance from the Martins. So no, Frutetto is a German kennel, sorry. Chris

The question is not about VA but about VA1. It took the Catholic Church several centuries to choose non- Italian Popes. Yes, some day a non-German born male will be Sieger, but it may also take a couple of centuries!