What to do with cull/wash out - Page 1

I didn't want to post this question on the other forums I use because they seem more sensitive. Anyhow tile says it. Ipo prospect that won't make the cut. Two different trainers; one retired le k9 officer/trainer, and another very well respected trainer have both said his prey drive is too low and he's too defensive. This gets especially annoying at night. I let him out to use the bathroom and he barks at everything that moves - even plants, and doesn't even care about using the bathroom.

His breeder will take him back and offer me another pup from an upcoming litter however I think based on the lines the same thing would occur and I'd be sunk even more time and money into another prospect that doesn't make the cut. No money back was offered.

The one thing both trainers say he could do great in is tracking but I don't really have an interest in it.

So I guess the short question at the end of the long rant - what do you ladies and gents do with your dogs that don't make the cut?

I would find him a good home. Just because he is not right for you does not mean that he won't be right for another.

If the breeder has offered you another pup even the same lines does not mean it will turn out the same unless your dogs litter mates are all wash outs. If that were so then no I would not take another from same dam and sire.

If they were not all wash outs or if he had another litter with different dam or sire whose pups are what you like then I would take one.

No matter where you get a pup from you will have the same time invested in it.

Good point. I know it's a gamble getting a puppy. This one didn't work out for what I want but a part of me wonders if this is my payback for ignoring some of the things I've seen about ddr dogs. He's half ddr and seems to favor that side in build, appearance, and perhaps drives/temperament. The breeder knew I was after an ipo dog and selected him based on that. So i don't know how good my odds are of getting a better prospect from a different breeding from the same breeder. I don't mind to return him but for zilch seems a little lopsided

How old is he.

Lopsided, the breeder would have to work with your dog, feed him and advertise him. With all that he may not find a new owner that will pay him or even take him for free. 

You would have another pup to work.

Any pup you get from any where or any lines may not turn out what you want there are no guarantees you know all pups are a crap shoot.

Maybe you could find another breeder who would trade you, chance would be slim maybe, but possible. 

Oh I only meant lopsided if I returned the current dog without getting something in return. Even if I sold him myself (at a loss) to a pet home, or something better for him, I wouldn't be walking away empty handed.

Then I would try to sell him yourself if you need some of your investment back and then look for a young adult to work with instead of taking the chance on another pup.

You may find someone with one that is too much for them so a possible trade.

Can I ask...What are you looking for...I mean what are you wanting the dog for...Sport...Police Work...Home Protection...etc?
When choosing a puppy you're only buying the bloodlines of the parents...If you like the parents then you have a chance to get something you'd like...
I can understand not wanting to wait out the time for a puppy to grow up and mature and get started into training that you want to do...You might consider a young adult...You can see what the dog will be Physically...What the Drives are like...and if you get along with the dog...
Now...getting a young adult will usually cost a bit more but the breeder/owner has more in them...so you have to figure out is the extra cost worth the time and effort put into them...
As you know and said a puppy is a Crap Shoot at best...

~Bob~

Is it too much to ask for all the above? :D I'm looking for a sport prospect that has the nerves, drive, and aggression necsssary to bite for real if need be.

Originally I wanted a young adult because I'm not a big fan of the puppy stage. I found it to be way too much hassle to weed thru the actual young adults and the young wash outs. I only visited one and the claims were top prospect for sport but it was the biggest nerve bag I think I'd ever seen.

As a side note, is that dog in your avatar akim?

I would find out what the dog excels at and place him accordingly. Watch though, some breeders want their animals returned to them as well as knowledge where their animals have been re homed. Talk with your local and closest rescue organizations and make them aware that you have a great dog to rehome. Test for kids, cats and other dogs so that you can place him accordingly and he does NOT get in the wrong hands. Best of luck, Nan

"...he's too defensive at night. I let him out ...and he barks at everything, .... doesn't even 'use the bathroom'."

"Trainers say he'd be great at tracking but I (have no) interest."

"I'm not a big fan of the puppy stage...way too much hassle to weed through (the young adults and " etc)

 

Serious question, OP:

do you think this dog's failure to come up to standard could have something to do with your lack of committment to the basics of dog training ?