Civil puppy yeah right.!!! - Page 1

 

I read some posts here from mebers who are saying about there civil( agressive) puppy
4-5 months old. it looks like this people founds out how cool it is

Let me say it is not cool what this are not in balance or stable puppies IMO

Let them be puppy and let them mature, play and learn from other dogs., this is so
much more important then ll that cool civil agressive macho things,

The same posts all about the dominant dog 1 stuff blah blah

What you need are balance,stable ,solid and good nerves not actors

This dogs on the first moment maybe don,t stand out, they will let you know when it is
realy necessary then you have a good dog.

 

It's a fair point you make, personally I prefer to let a pup be a pup, and concentrate on environmental experiences/conditioning and obedience. (not bite work)

I train with some guys - who go down the road you are against, they are experienced handlers and are sensible in what they do re bite work with a young one. (They are also doing environmental/conditioning - not implying it's one or the other lol)

At maturity when we train together I see no differences in both sets of dogs civil capabilities.

On a different note - if you got that covert bite suit, and have worked it, pm me please. If it's a work in progress - no worries.

R
Gee

When these types of dogs were used for the work they originally were bred for, not police or military work, how much bite and protection training did their owners have them do in order to prepare them to do their jobs? And their original work would have included protecting and biting if necessary. When the German military started to incorporate large numbers of dogs where did they get them from and how and for what were they trained for prior to becoming MWDs? The same could be asked of the dogs that the British brought into the military at that time.

Dogs used by British armed forces and the Police have historically been from stock originally imported from Germany, from breedings on the original lines as brought together by von Stephanitz et al, what would latterly become regarded as "WGSL". Where possible to obtain they will have come from dogs which had 'working' credentials i.e. from the breeders who kept Herding etc going, as well as from those taking their stock through the processes which eventually became Shutzhund / IPO. Including the old German 'Police Dog' tests. As time went on they would have included UK-bred dogs, including (though not exclusively) from those which had been titled here in Trials, Obedience Competition, etc. But they also included a lot of 'gift dogs' which were either given them by owners who no longer wanted / could not cope with their young dogs; from rescue centres where the dogs were BYB / street strays / cruelty cases; and they still get dogs donated this way today. Also many of the Police Forces and the RAF, and the Army through its Veterinary Medical Corps setting up the Defence Dog Centre at Melton Mowbray, have / do run their own breeding programmes. And some are directly donated or even purchased from the kennels of our Showlines (and some "working lines") breeders.

I can post a video and make you a believer (like I usually do to prove a point, unlike others ) I got 4 month old you can't get within 6 feet of most of times.. People or dogs  (working on socializing him more ), this was a breeding specifically for me and another guy I know. No other pups were sold out of that litter .. Dog comes from a long line of old school a**holes

Shawnicus,

Is this pup Cairo von bismack?

@ Gee after the trial and hollyday I will post you some new videos PM
I,m working on it.



@ shawnicus I must see that puppy myself to get an honest view a video is just 2 minutes of fame
most of time it prooves nothing.

First let him be a happy puppy hope he wanna socialize well, most of time what
I see ( fear biters sharp) ( bad nerves)over the the top  nervous puppys and often  this has a reason.They never impressed me at all.

Balance,stable.solid , strong nerves in all new situations this is what you need
not a crazy idiot. who barks or bite for nothing

@blackmalinois , everything you stated About raising a stable dog I  agree with, but speaking at length with the Breeder, he's recommended minimal socialization with people and feeding into his strong suspicion of both people and other dogs without much correction , believe it or not , dog aggression is prized in that part of the world and I personally don't have an issue with a dog whose dog aggressive as most real working dogs are in my experience( as long you got a good handle on the dog and you're a experience handler )  but I promise you there's no nerve issues, just an overly hard dog from the go otherwise I wouldn't waste my time, I will get some videos soon.

A dog aggressive dog will abort you for a dog fight.

The aggression needed to truly fight a man is on a different STRATOSPHERE from dog on dog aggression.

The BEST working dogs on the planet - can be seen working alongside other dogs, and multiple people.

R
Gee

 

Agree with Gee.

 

Just because the breeder and his counterparts in their country say stuff that contradicts the intentions of the founders of the breed does not make them right in producing excess aggression, nor do you, Shawni, have to believe it.