Statistic DCM for dobermann(Europe) today - Page 1

1  < 2 year old
3,3 %

2 < 4 years old
9,9 %

4 < 6 years old
12,5 %

6 < 8 years old
43,6 %

≥ 8 years
44,1 %

 

DCM diagnosted positive

I decide to start this theme,especially for my overseas friends,who have no oportunity to realize,all situation with Cardiomyopathy of European dobermann today.

 

WOW:  what a freightening and alarming number of dogs.  Stat's of DCM:  do I understand this to be diagnosed cardiomyophy is that what DCM stands for??  WOW.  and is that mostly European?  Thx for sharing, I think.  Nan

Yes,this is a Cardiomyopathy diagnosted positive dogs.For 100% was checked only about 300.000 dobermanns in Europe and East countries like Russia,Ukraine..etc.

Maybe somebody can share  US or Canada statistic.I have info about only few US bloodlines,usually checked by regular owners on heart disease, before or after death.

The DCM gen mutant by itself -isn't responsable for all hearts problem.

Today if we use statistic and connecting it with knowledge about some most influential lines,picture become much more clean..

 

 

 

Those statistics are from an journal article written in 2010. The prevalence is the US is very similiar...anywhere around 40-60%.

the breed needs to have a controlled cross breeding to another breed before it is lost.

 

i would use apbt on a dobe line.

Yes GinaBel,thats a bit old information.But I think the numbers is terrible..And it still crowthing.

The upcoming info,that I saw,only worse.

But more strange thing for me,is that some european breeders,knew about problem,make double litters and willing to sale "it" overseas.

In fact the next buyer is a victim!Just because not enough information.

I respect breeders/owners,who care about health aspect their own dogs,And prevent problem lines from breeding programm.

Sad,but biggest part,prefer opposite..

"by vk4gsd on 16 November 2014 - 04:11

the breed needs to have a controlled cross breeding to another breed before it is lost.

i would use apbt on a dobe line."

 

I agree that the Dobermann needs to be crossed out to both save it from health issues and to improve working temperment. It would be benifical for that idea to gain some traction. The Dobermann is already at its roots a mash up of various dogs/breeds. Crossing/mixing would be a continuation of the founders idea.

It would likely be an overwhelming and lenghty undertaking for a single breeder to significantly effect the breed, however a group of breeders working cooperativly could probably produce a rebuilt healthy working "Dobermann" in a realitivly few generations.

IMO the ABPT would be a poor choice to use in a cross though. Dobermanns already have dog agressive tendencies. Adding more to the existing gene pool is a bad idea. If one were to replicate the breed from scratch without using existing Dobermann's then perhaps some ABPT in the foundation could be useful- but only if chosen carefully for generations of low/no dogfighting genetics.

The main problem,I think,it's again Human factor.

Instead of publicly talk about problems,huge number of breeders/owners prefer to hide info about their dogs,cause of deaths,etc..

And continued to use affected dogs and carriers as well.

I do not agree with cross,but with low/very low  percentage of inbreeding.

And I trying to minimize the risk of health problems in my dogs by few ways.

I don't blame anybody.And I start from myself(long time ago).

Not so difficult to start check your own dogs and publish information (even if sometimes it's not positive news.)

 

You sure there are enough good Dobermann’s to strengthen the breed without crossing? If there are any breeders producing a line of DCM free dogs then the world needs to know so other breeders can use these dogs or understand how to breed more of the same.

 

There are few (if any) Dobermann’s left in police or military service. The number of dogs that can excel at sport is low compared to other breeds. I don’t know- is there even a single KNPV Dobermann any more?

 

Working ability needs to come first. If the Dobermann lacks working ability then what difference does it make if the breed is healthy?

 

DCM is a problem as well as digestive, skin, thyroid and other issues.  Serious question- What breeders consistently produce Dobermann’s with good working temperament, no DCM, no skin issues, no allergies, no thyroid problems, etc? (If you know of any that really produce this please post who they are. If do not want to say it publicly please send me a private message.)