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by Mindhunt on 16 May 2013 - 13:05
Beetree, a full forensic neuropsychological assessment is expensive with a reputable psychologist certified in neuropsychology, I've seen the bills sent to clients. Inpatient treatment per day at a community mental health facility is expensive with the therapy consisting of what is least costly (generally medication with occasional group therapy which Adam was not psychologically ready to participate in) and not necessarily effective for what Adam appeared to have, and he would have needed minimum of 30 days treatment with outpatient follow-up. If Nancy had opted for a private psychiatric facility that provided the most effective treatment that Adam needed, it would have been 3x maybe 5x what a community mental health facility costs. Most "wealthy" families can barely afford the private route and I am not talking the multimillionaires that seem to be able to afford this type of treatment. Since you seem to know quite a bit and condemn Nancy Lanza's choices, what would your treatment plan have been? I don't mean what you would not have done, rather what you would have done had you been Adam's mother, specifically? It is easy to condemn and say what you would not have done, so tell us what you would have done differently with the benefit of hindsight?
by beetree on 16 May 2013 - 18:05
Mindhunt, I think we are not talking about the same window of time when you are discussing services available for Adam. I of course can only give my opinion as what a mother in her position should have done, and as Carlin noted, with my speculations based on my experiences and expectations in the community.
I am talking about Asperger's and sensory issues, that a young Adam presented with at an early age. Nancy would have to had received an evaluation, and usually a private diagnose to receive an IEP. She frequently changed Adam's learning situation, from public to private and back again. And I have to wonder why. With a young Asperger's child with sensory issues, I am assuming you must know that making generalizations with transitions is difficult, usually. I know when the correct services are used with Autism Spectrum issues, in which Asperger's would have fallen under that particular umbrella, the child can learn ways to function with issues such as compulsive, obsessive and repetitious behaviors. What I would not have done as well, would be allowing him to obsess and isolate in his basement playing violent shooter games. I would not have provided him with firepower of any sort. I would not have tried to be his pal and indulge his whims that were not healthy for him. My feeling is she let the tail wag the dog. It didn't help him. It shredded the lives of innocents and yes, our communities are still trying to heal from this. The scars I wonder, if they will fade, they are screaming bright red, even today.
I am talking about Asperger's and sensory issues, that a young Adam presented with at an early age. Nancy would have to had received an evaluation, and usually a private diagnose to receive an IEP. She frequently changed Adam's learning situation, from public to private and back again. And I have to wonder why. With a young Asperger's child with sensory issues, I am assuming you must know that making generalizations with transitions is difficult, usually. I know when the correct services are used with Autism Spectrum issues, in which Asperger's would have fallen under that particular umbrella, the child can learn ways to function with issues such as compulsive, obsessive and repetitious behaviors. What I would not have done as well, would be allowing him to obsess and isolate in his basement playing violent shooter games. I would not have provided him with firepower of any sort. I would not have tried to be his pal and indulge his whims that were not healthy for him. My feeling is she let the tail wag the dog. It didn't help him. It shredded the lives of innocents and yes, our communities are still trying to heal from this. The scars I wonder, if they will fade, they are screaming bright red, even today.
by Mindhunt on 17 May 2013 - 14:05
I think the sky will fall on us now Beetree....I agree with you on many of the above points such as constant changes being bad for Adam, letting him sit in the basement, isolate and play violent video games when he has social skills and empathy difficulties as most with his issues do, IEP process, not understanding why Nancy would take Adam to shooting (other than to try and socialize him or give him a feeling of control, I don't know and would never assume I would understand her reasoning on that score). Yup, the sky will fall, run for the hills.......good points Beetree. 
by Two Moons on 17 May 2013 - 14:05
I think Adam must have loved his mother because he killed her first.
Think that one through bee......lol
Think that one through bee......lol
by beetree on 17 May 2013 - 15:05
I am not sure how to take your "sky is falling comment" Mindhunt, because you don't usually agree to anything I write, so you are probably being facetious? And deriving some enjoyment for yourself in the process?
I will comment further in my speculation as to why I think she bought such artillery for her son. It appears Adam had thought about a military career, early on. His disappointment that it would not happen for him was realized, particularly by his mom, and her actions scream to me of trying to "fix it" for him, is my take on "why". Bad idea, horrible idea, by an indulgent, and incredibly stupid mother. Obviously a very dangerous type of mothering.
I don't think he killed his mother first because he loved her. Most likely he killed her first, so she wouldn't try to stop him.
I will comment further in my speculation as to why I think she bought such artillery for her son. It appears Adam had thought about a military career, early on. His disappointment that it would not happen for him was realized, particularly by his mom, and her actions scream to me of trying to "fix it" for him, is my take on "why". Bad idea, horrible idea, by an indulgent, and incredibly stupid mother. Obviously a very dangerous type of mothering.
I don't think he killed his mother first because he loved her. Most likely he killed her first, so she wouldn't try to stop him.
by Two Moons on 17 May 2013 - 15:05
I know you have it all figured out.....LOL
by beetree on 17 May 2013 - 15:05
I know you don't.
by Mindhunt on 17 May 2013 - 15:05
Wow, holy crow Beetree, what a reaction.....
I was actually finding it ok that we can disagree on many things and find common ground on others, the "sky is falling" was in fun (in a good way) because two people who disagree on some things can agree on others, which to me was cool.
I was actually finding it ok that we can disagree on many things and find common ground on others, the "sky is falling" was in fun (in a good way) because two people who disagree on some things can agree on others, which to me was cool.
by beetree on 17 May 2013 - 15:05
Okay, maybe I am a bit sensitive on this subject. Please accept my apologies. I don't think I can laugh about any of this, yet.
by Mindhunt on 17 May 2013 - 18:05
Beetree, no problem . I can't laugh about the tragedy either, but I can smile about us agreeing on a few points lol.
. I can't laugh about the tragedy either, but I can smile about us agreeing on a few points lol.Contact information Disclaimer Privacy Statement Copyright Information Terms of Service Cookie policy ↑ Back to top