Biblcal age of accountability - Page 2

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   gouda

Gouda, I don't believe you can biblically establish this concept any better the author of the article of your link.   He may sign his name PhD, but then again, so does one of my sisters, and she's bought into everything the Jesuits have sold her.  Would you agree with her writing? I doubt it.  I could easily quote scripture from the original Hebrew completely disarming  the author of that article, but what's the point other than to further divide the Christians on the forum?  My wife had a miscarriage a little over a year ago, and I will never forget the horror in her voice as she called for me, sitting on the toilet with my daughter in her hand.  What about her?  Where did she go?  I know what I believe, but it isn't because of any scripture I have read, or did not read (shame on me, perhaps).  So if I prove babies go to heaven, who benefits?  If I prove they do not, who benefits?  The argument could be made that it makes people feel better about their own experiences or about the God they serve.  Then again, love is not an emotion, and to assume that if babies go to hell, they do so capriciously at the hands of a God indifferent to the loss is a myopic, soulish, and adolescent position at best.  Bottom line, I trust God with the things I either do not know, or cannot understand, and choose not to make them a stumbling block for others, to the best of my ability.

Hi Carlin

I  dont follow any author,I used this author because he believes what I believe,never heard of this man
until yesterday.
I believe the doctrine of predestination is a stumbling block for thousands of christian parents that have lost a young child,
and turned many against God. Carlin two days ago you called J.C SPROUL a flake.
Now you say this author can be picked apart using scfripture. What do you realy believe?

  your friend
   gouda
 

Carlin
Yes Carlin I have the intension to devide the Christians on this board using the truth,
The truth and the false are two different things,should they not be devided?
Gal.1:10  For do I now persuade men or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men,I should not be a servant of Christ.
My attitude towards teachers of false gospels is one of sacred hostility.
Cor diality here is forbidden and misguided.

Thats the way I am Carlin,and I have never tried to hide it.

  gouda

Gouda-

The article on Sproul, if taken at face value, depicts a Christian subscribing to some decidedly anti-Christian psychological theory, including Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I took the article at face value, because the issue on the board here wasn't about Sproul.   The article you last linked to, in this thread, contains subject matter which is questionable, given what scripture says. 

you wrote "What do you really believe?"

Thomas Aquinas was a genius.  Obviously, having abandoned the Catholic faith, I do not accept all of his theology.  What he accomplished in his work "summa theologica" was of enormous significance to the both the church, and education during the middle ages.   He asserted that there were two kinds of knowledge; that which can be known by way of science and reason, and that which can only be known by faith.  In terms of the two differing perspectives on "where babies go", supporting scriptural evidence can be claimed by both camps.  I feel as though I could provide a compelling argument either way.  I have offered that, my own belief on the matter is one based on revelation, and that I am not sure how comfortable with that notion I really am.  Yes, "rightly dividing"; that, is the easy part.  What is perhaps not so simple a matter, is discerning what it is that you are fighting for, and why.  Jesus did not come all the way down to this potty seat of a planet to establish, re-establish, or otherwise correct the record regarding the law and the prophets.  He didn't come for the Pharisees or Sadducees, to straighten them out.  The goal was clear, and so was the method.  While we sit here and play pat-a-cake, there really isn't really a whole lot being accomplished for the goal; quite the contrary.  The truth will bring division, but division is not the goal.  Paul didn;t send the letter intended for Corinth to Thessalonica.  Does that mean that what is contained in the epistle to the Corinthians isn't useful for "correction, exhortation, rebuke, etc", no.  What it does mean, is that Paul wasn't writing to here the sound of his own dictation, or to admire his eloquence in written form.  He discerned the goal, and became all things to all to all people.  Corinth got the truth they needed, when they needed it.  I feel as though I could write volumes on Calvinism vs Arminianism, but what good would that do in this setting?  Ever read Charles Finney's "Systematic Theology";  I'm not sure I buy the whole thing, but he raises a lot of good questions; just not helpful here. 
 

Hi Carlin,

I am interested in your opinion about this video, I am not going to have Bible argument - that is NOT my intent here at all...Ruger1 does not agree with David and it seems to me that you and Ruger1 have very similar believes.

This is what Ruger1 said about David:
I watched your video Shtal, I have heard this type of preaching many times and I am familiar with this doctrine and disagree with it,,. I think I have actually heard this particular preacher before as well...

 

David Wilkerson spoke at a church I was attending back in 1997; I didn't have a problem with the message.  I did not watch the video in its entirety; I have some pressing things to see to, but I did watch about half of it, noting the overall theme and supporting scripture.  I haven't paid him enough mind over the past 15 years to endorse what was his ministry, but this particular video is consistent with my own view of the state of Christianity in America.  What has taken place in the protestant sect over the past two or three centuries in the America does not appear to me to be much unlike what became of Christianity in Europe during the middle ages.  The environment and political climates are significantly different, but the concept resonates.  The phenomena is somewhat troubling, because society, over time, has taken an active, living, spiritual dynamic, and morphed it into a social institution. Of course, cultural differences among different societies will inevitably impact some of the more surface level attributes of the church, but if we believe what we say we believe, should not those eternal spiritual principles be of a preeminence such that the body does not become a redefined adoption of a particular society? Though there are many subcultures within Christianity, Christianity is to be a subculture to none. I believe what I see is the difference between the real and ideal cultures of Christianity in the nation. Sociologocially speaking, how different might things be, if we all subscribed to right reference group? In the U.S., the tradition of a healthy individuality has developed into individualism. Individualism suggests the absolutizement of self, and/or self-interests, which the way I read the Bible, has nothing to do with being a follower of Christ.  Again, the goal of Christianity is not dominionist, or ecclesiatically political.  Some clearly will not tolerate sound doctrine, and to force feed for the sake of doing so appears ignorant to me, and given where Jesus spent most of his time, appeared ignorant to him as well.

Hi Ruger

The witness of todays society missfits?

REV.11
 God will cause two mighty prophets to arise.These two shall give a worldwide
testimony to Gods salvation AND DENOUNCE THE WICKEDNESS OF THE DAY.
Their dress of sackcloth shows them to be prophets in and evil age calling not
for rejoicing but rather for repentance and judgment.
Are these missfits Ruger?
Are Sthall and I misfits Ruger because we preach about  repentance and judgment?

  Your friend 
   gouda

P.S.  Satan will kill these two,their bodies shall lay in the street.
Every nation shall see their dead bodies
And they shall rejoice over them,and make merry and shall send gifts one to another.
Yup they sure were missfits according to the world.
 

...but Gouda, how in your mind would theologically establishing where dead babies go, bring about repentance? Even if you could, it would seem to muddy the waters for those, who would have much more pressing spiritual matters at hand.