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Shtal

by Shtal on 01 May 2013 - 03:05

GSDtravels,
I hope this video's below will answer some of your questions about how Ruger1 defines evil...



Consistent Calvinism- Babies Go To Hell!

Consistent Calvinism - Double Predestination


Ruger1

by Ruger1 on 01 May 2013 - 09:05

Travels,,
I am not a fan of the excessive use of copy and paste material, but in this instant I feel it will better serve the answering of your question. I also posted a link to the entire article, which in its entirety would only take but a minute to read. I hope you will take the time.  IMO I could not have expressed or communicated a response better then what is found here.
 

One of the most important approaches to the problem of evil is that set forth originally by Augustine and then later by Aquinas, in which they argued that evil has no independent being. Evil cannot be defined as a thing or as a substance or as some kind of being. Rather, evil is always defined as an action, an action that fails to meet a standard of goodness. In this regard, evil has been defined in terms of its being either a negation (negatio) of the good, or a privation (privatio) of the good. In both cases, the very definition of evil depends upon a prior understanding of the good. In this regard, as Augustine argued, evil is parasitic — that is, it depends upon the good for its very definition. We think of sin as something that is unrighteous, involving disobedience, immorality, and the like. All of these definitions depend upon the positive substance of the good for their very definition. Augustine argues that though Christians face the difficulty of explaining the presence of evil in the universe, the pagan has a problem that is twice as difficult. Before one can even have a problem of evil, one must first have an antecedent existence of the good. Those who complain about the problem of evil now also have the problem of defining the existence of the good. Without God there is no ultimate standard for the good.

In contemporary days, this problem has been resolved by simply denying both evil and good. Such a problem, however, faces enormous difficulties, particularly when one suffers at the hands of someone who inflicts evil upon them. It is easy for us to deny the existence of evil until we ourselves are victims of someone’s wicked action.

However, though we end our quest to answer the origin of evil, one thing is certain: since God is both omnipotent and good, we must conclude that in His omnipotence and goodness there must be a place for the existence of evil. We know that God Himself never does that which is evil. Nevertheless, He also ordains whatsoever comes to pass. Though He does not do evil and does not create evil, He does ordain that evil exists. If it does exist, and if God is sovereign, then obviously He must have been able to prevent its existence. If He allowed evil to enter into this universe, it could only be by His sovereign decision. Since His sovereign decisions always follow the perfection of His being, we must conclude that His decision to allow evil to exist is a good decision.

Again, we must be careful here. We must never say that evil is good, or that good is evil. But that is not the same thing as saying, “It is good that there is evil.” Again, I repeat, it is good that there is evil, else evil could not exist. Even this theodicy does not explain the “how” of the entrance of evil into the world. It only reflects upon the “why” of the reality of evil. One thing we know for sure is that evil does exist. It exists, if nowhere else, in us and in our behavior. We know that the force of evil is extraordinary and brings great pain and suffering into the world. We also know that God is sovereign over it and in His sovereignty will not allow evil to have the last word. Evil always and ever serves the ultimate best interest of God Himself. It is God in His goodness and in His sovereignty who has ordained the final conquest over evil and its riddance from His universe. In this redemption we find our rest and our joy — and until that time, we live in a fallen world.

http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/mystery-iniquity/
 


GSDtravels

by GSDtravels on 01 May 2013 - 09:05

Well Ruger, the copy and paste was pointless, that's not what I'm asking you.  What evil have you witnessed in your own life and how did you determine it was evil?  Small or large scale, anything will do.

gouda

by gouda on 01 May 2013 - 10:05


Ruger1

After watching those 2 videos,I now understand why it does not bother you to celebrate
the Devils day  {halloween}.

  gouda

Carlin

by Carlin on 01 May 2013 - 10:05

evil - "sapros", or "ra a" .   In either case, "spoiled", "corrupt", "broken into pieces".   Evil is the antithesis, while God is thesis.  This is in direct conflict with the prevalent philosophical flavor of the month, Hegellian dialecticism, which is based on the synthesis of the process, thus "process philosophy", the foundational ideal of the modern progressive.

Ruger1

by Ruger1 on 01 May 2013 - 10:05

Travels,,You say it was pointless huh ?,,,Do I look surprised,,lol,,Regular Smile..Wink Smile..

Anyway, I assumed that was where you were going with all this, but I will back it down and just answer simply..I have witnessed in my own life my desire to do that which makes me feel good, opposed to doing what is best for me, for others or most importantly what is in accordance with God's Word..IMO whatever sets itself against that which is considered ( by the Bible ) to be good and right is evil...

Ruger1

by Ruger1 on 01 May 2013 - 11:05

Gouda and Shtal,,For lack of a better term those videos are full of crap..I am not going to indulge you both anymore,,I am ignoring you for fear of saying something I might regret,,

Two Moons

by Two Moons on 01 May 2013 - 13:05

Ah the fear, possible regret.

Ignore,
hell you've been spoon feeding them both for weeks, they're starting to get fat.


Thank you Mr.Dictionary.

Gouda,
wasn't it all about Halloween that got you started in the first place?
Not having much formal education is no excuse for being a total idiot.

Sthal,
I believe anyone could walk you down the path, your so gullable.

This is so boring day after day, so many pages wasted argueing about who's myth is correct.

But if it's the only game in town I wanna put five on Travels by a nose.


 

gouda

by gouda on 01 May 2013 - 13:05

Moons

But still smart enough to stay away from mind altering drugs [POT]

  gouda

Two Moons

by Two Moons on 01 May 2013 - 13:05

LOL,
maybe your out of a job and can't afford it.

Pot's an herb not a drug, it isn't man made, your god put it here, sorta like the tree of knowledge.

Your mind has been altered but not for the better, and it wasn't hard to do.

 





 


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