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by Shtal on 27 April 2013 - 17:04
beetree,
For you it may be okay, but not for kids in school, I mean science specifically.
Shtal.
For you it may be okay, but not for kids in school, I mean science specifically.
Shtal.
by beetree on 27 April 2013 - 17:04
Shtal,
I don't need to take every word in the Bible literally, for it to be truth, or be thinking if I can accept evolution theory, it must mean I doubt the Word of God. The science and learning for my children does include Darwinism evolution theory, and that is okay by me. The way I bend my mind, you can call me Gumby! LOL
You just made me remember, from eons ago, ...LOL, how I still remember being taught about the observations and theory of "spontaneous generation" in grade school, how it was an example of incomplete thinking. The invention of the microscope made everything clear.
I know it is not okay by you. I won't argue with you about this. That's all. I'm sure someone else will feel like kicking the creationist can with you, in good time.
I don't need to take every word in the Bible literally, for it to be truth, or be thinking if I can accept evolution theory, it must mean I doubt the Word of God. The science and learning for my children does include Darwinism evolution theory, and that is okay by me. The way I bend my mind, you can call me Gumby! LOL
You just made me remember, from eons ago, ...LOL, how I still remember being taught about the observations and theory of "spontaneous generation" in grade school, how it was an example of incomplete thinking. The invention of the microscope made everything clear.
I know it is not okay by you. I won't argue with you about this. That's all. I'm sure someone else will feel like kicking the creationist can with you, in good time.
by Felloffher on 27 April 2013 - 18:04
The young earth creationist can has been kicked, crushed and recycled. Shtal and people like him cling to denial, they have absolutely nothing else.
Edited to add young earth.
Edited to add young earth.
by Shtal on 27 April 2013 - 18:04
Beetree wrote: .LOL, how I still remember being taught about the observations and theory of "spontaneous generation" in grade school, how it was an example of incomplete thinking. The invention of the microscope made everything clear.
You gave me an idea something to share here as a good example about Information: And I learned something about information theory in a simply way; how can we understand the information that is in DNA and how it is opposes the theory of evolution. I want to explain that we are not talking about just little words or couple words together in our DNA but we are talking about entire chapter that work forwards and backwards it is measurably complex. And the other thing overlapping instructions and example to give weird sentence here, I like chocolater that evening, the reasons weird – is we have to phrases here that overlap. We have I like chocolate which is true and we have later that evening and they overlap here in the middle these four letters. So if we introduce another random changer, we make a substitution this time, we change an E into an H. It no longer spells I like chocolate and also it doesn’t spell later that evening, so random change here actually destroying it. So that it the third level of complexity just one little mutation is going to destroy right now up to three level of complexity of the information. Reality of DNA we are not talking about short of little phrase overlaps but we are talking about actually again entire chapter of overlapping information, and it just boggles the mind to think of the complexity there in the DNA. Beetee, we are going to remember that this is just a simplified analogy of what DNA actually is…Is in it so - and in fact you know, you have both together the things going forward and backward…Overlapping and all of it complexity that involves.
You gave me an idea something to share here as a good example about Information: And I learned something about information theory in a simply way; how can we understand the information that is in DNA and how it is opposes the theory of evolution. I want to explain that we are not talking about just little words or couple words together in our DNA but we are talking about entire chapter that work forwards and backwards it is measurably complex. And the other thing overlapping instructions and example to give weird sentence here, I like chocolater that evening, the reasons weird – is we have to phrases here that overlap. We have I like chocolate which is true and we have later that evening and they overlap here in the middle these four letters. So if we introduce another random changer, we make a substitution this time, we change an E into an H. It no longer spells I like chocolate and also it doesn’t spell later that evening, so random change here actually destroying it. So that it the third level of complexity just one little mutation is going to destroy right now up to three level of complexity of the information. Reality of DNA we are not talking about short of little phrase overlaps but we are talking about actually again entire chapter of overlapping information, and it just boggles the mind to think of the complexity there in the DNA. Beetee, we are going to remember that this is just a simplified analogy of what DNA actually is…Is in it so - and in fact you know, you have both together the things going forward and backward…Overlapping and all of it complexity that involves.
by GSDtravels on 27 April 2013 - 18:04
Shtal, you have no idea what I believe and what I don't. I have only asked questions, I haven't said that I determined the answers. What I am trying to show is the need for our society to remain secular. I am trying to show that nobody has all the answers and there's nothing wrong with that. Live according to your own beliefs and allow others to do the same. Respect others' rights and accord them the humanity to be left in peace. I'm trying to show that there are very valid reasons to not believe. You yourself say that it must be taken on faith, when some people aren't wired that way. Some people need proof. If you can't supply them that proof, that doesn't mean they're taking away your belief, they're just simply not accepting it. That doesn't make them criminals, that makes them free to choose, free to live, work, raise families and live however they want, as long as they're not denying you the same right. It's really simple and not a hard concept to grasp. Secularism isn't a dirty word, if used properly, it protects us all, it's the embodiment of fairness, justice, freedom. I have posted opinions, not necessarily those with which I happen to agree. We all need to agree to disagree and go on living our lives the way we want to, without forced morality. I wonder how many women would be happy about morality being dictated if they had to wear a burqa in 100 degree heat.
Strange game, the only winning move is, not to play...
Strange game, the only winning move is, not to play...
by beetree on 27 April 2013 - 19:04
Hmmm.
Valid reasons not to believe.
I would say there are times it does appear that way. Until one discovers the "microscope" of faith.
by beetree on 27 April 2013 - 19:04
Shtal,
Oh, I am with you on the overlapping and complexity filled instructions in DNA revelations. It is the timeline issue I am discounting as so "earth shattering". Those are details that don't change the resulting faith, in one who chooses to believe. One who has been given the opportunity to accept or reject a faith based belief might do well to accept a certain humbleness in understanding self limits, too, this helps in accepting that sometimes the complexity is beyond human understanding. And since God himself said we can not know some things, it is easy for me to let certain details go, and worry or not, lol, about the bigger picture things, like how to have a personal relationship with God.
I still don't know why I am so fortunate about that! There is just no reason for some of my prayers to be answered, and yet, I must say people should try it sometimes. Maybe I ask for the right things? I don't know. lol. The one thing that always stays the same, though, is a miraculous cure for my deaf ear. I have given up on that one! And now, I just don't care so long as I have the one good one. So, maybe that was an answer to my prayer?
LOL ... God only knows!
Oh, I am with you on the overlapping and complexity filled instructions in DNA revelations. It is the timeline issue I am discounting as so "earth shattering". Those are details that don't change the resulting faith, in one who chooses to believe. One who has been given the opportunity to accept or reject a faith based belief might do well to accept a certain humbleness in understanding self limits, too, this helps in accepting that sometimes the complexity is beyond human understanding. And since God himself said we can not know some things, it is easy for me to let certain details go, and worry or not, lol, about the bigger picture things, like how to have a personal relationship with God.
I still don't know why I am so fortunate about that! There is just no reason for some of my prayers to be answered, and yet, I must say people should try it sometimes. Maybe I ask for the right things? I don't know. lol. The one thing that always stays the same, though, is a miraculous cure for my deaf ear. I have given up on that one! And now, I just don't care so long as I have the one good one. So, maybe that was an answer to my prayer?
LOL ... God only knows!
by Shtal on 28 April 2013 - 19:04
Carlin wrote: I find it impossible to "give" someone perpective, particularly spiritual perspective, because after all, though theology and religion can be taught, only the Spirit of God knows the ... This would seem to stress the idea that "no one can come to me unless...
I would like to share this view regarding what you said: "no one can come to me unless...
I already shared this many, many times on this board; but you where NOT here; so I am re-posting this analogy ONLY for you my dear Carlin.
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
(Matthew Chapter 15:12-14)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. (John Chapter 8:44)
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
(Matthew Chapter 13:38-40)
Tares – are people and the good seed are also people, one category of people came to this world from God, and other category of people came to this world from devil. Tares cannot become wheat and wheat cannot become tares. World – field, it could become tares or wheat - dependency from whom under it was influence, whose roots it was drop too. (Which one)
And from the influence of this roots in the soil, partially soil transform into different tares, and diverse soil transform into wheat. In other words – through roots comes attraction to one and to others, but this attractions are different.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. (John Chapter 6:44-45)
The word ALL does not mean that absolutely all people in this world will be instructed by God, but it means that those - that roots of the wheat have reached and so they became sons of wheat.
13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
(Isaiah Chapter 54:13)
All sons but not all people.
I would like to share this view regarding what you said: "no one can come to me unless...
I already shared this many, many times on this board; but you where NOT here; so I am re-posting this analogy ONLY for you my dear Carlin.
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
(Matthew Chapter 15:12-14)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. (John Chapter 8:44)
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
(Matthew Chapter 13:38-40)
Tares – are people and the good seed are also people, one category of people came to this world from God, and other category of people came to this world from devil. Tares cannot become wheat and wheat cannot become tares. World – field, it could become tares or wheat - dependency from whom under it was influence, whose roots it was drop too. (Which one)
And from the influence of this roots in the soil, partially soil transform into different tares, and diverse soil transform into wheat. In other words – through roots comes attraction to one and to others, but this attractions are different.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. (John Chapter 6:44-45)
The word ALL does not mean that absolutely all people in this world will be instructed by God, but it means that those - that roots of the wheat have reached and so they became sons of wheat.
13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
(Isaiah Chapter 54:13)
All sons but not all people.
by Ruger1 on 30 April 2013 - 23:04
Travels,,Sorry it took me so long to get back with you..The difference between God and satan is God is the Creator and satan is the creature/created...I would assume you already recognize this fact..
Nothing God does is evil ...It is not in His character to do evil..God is directly opposed to evil.....Satan IS evil..not because of an action, but rather his person hood..
Nothing God does is evil ...It is not in His character to do evil..God is directly opposed to evil.....Satan IS evil..not because of an action, but rather his person hood..
by GSDtravels on 01 May 2013 - 02:05
What is evil, please define it?
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