Got milk? No, just lies - Page 13

Sorry, Joanro, it won't happen again. I didn't know I was doing that.

Hexe made a detailed, fully understandable post about defining food additives. Joan and Micaho support each other's scary future predictions to change the meanings of a simple issue into something else. I think other people should take these milk zealots with a deep breath and slow backwards count of ten. 

Maybe they are unawares of what they do?

Bee, neither Macaho nor I wrote what is in the article. The quote which Macaho highlighted is a direct quote from the article . Hexe posted what she felt was relevant, but it is not out of the article. I could not care less if you can understand what is printed in the article, but Hexe did not write the article posted. So, if you want to ignore the thing, I am happy for you. But I would appreciate it if you don't claim that I am responsible for the article which you don't like, and refrain from crediting me with making " scary future predictions to change the meanings of a simple issue into something else." I'm not a "milk zealot", I don't even drink it. There are some people, however, who might appreciate seeing what is going on with the shit that is produced in this country in the guise of nourishment. That is why I posted it, certainly not for people who are content with their head UTA, or buried in the sand, which ever is appropriate.
My final comment to you is; if you don't like the article, then disregard it and let others come to their own conclusion. Thank you for your understanding in this matter,
Sincerely,
Joan &;-)

Blitzen, that's cool. I have no personal vendetta against you, I even get some benefit from reading some of your posts.
Seems like the big deal is my dog is better than your dog. The only way to settle that would be to let the dogs show us who is top of the heap. But, being as we would never do that, we must respect each other, and not try to impose our likes on others. If some one calls me and explains what they want in a dog, if mine won't suit them, I would never try to convince them other wise. Nobody will win doing that.
Life's too short, and each day is a gift.

We're finally going to catch up with GB, Eu, and even Russia in five years.

Joanro,

What was copy and pasted just shows the part "b" paragraph, that first has to be satisfied by being everything in part "a". That out of context cut and paste is misleading in its presentation and the way you and Micaho dwell, maybe obsess even, on that little bit. I will continue to post to these threads in my feeble attempts to clarify what I see as a common occurance, as there is a need for balance. This includes the religious like fervor mentioned raging within the "milk" as food debate previously brought up in an article by Blitzen.  I see this as proof; as deliberate enough of a mentality to be a stereotype in the media, that I think it is these same people who also continue to adopt a mentality rife with government distrust, fired by a missionary's intensity.

I am not about stopping people from coming to their own conclusions. Au contraire.   And see, you did it again, just with that comment, putting the wrong idea about me posting to this thread. Jesus, save us!  That is why I have to bee so careful with you, all the time. Sigh.

How information is presented is what propaganda is all about. Someone has to help clear the fog. That is why posters like Hexe are so valuble to so many, she has a gift for explaining complicated issues that get to the heart of matter, IMHO. No lies there.

Propaganda? What ever.

Scary future,
says a lot.

joanro, dear, I HAVE read the ENTIRE article posted on the first page. I've also read the ENTIRE petition that was submitted to the FDA.  AND I've read ALL of the regulations as they presently stand pertaining to milk and milk products.  I doubt you've read those yet, though I posted a link to them earlier.  So, here is the actual definition of 'milk' as it presently stands, and I've highlighted the section that cites what items can be added to the liquid while still permitting the processor to call their end product "milk" on the label.  What the petition is seeking is to add aspartame to items listed in letter (c) Optional ingredients--but if that permission is granted, the processors will STILL have to list the added aspartame on the product's label if they want to market it as 'milk'.


Code of Federal Regulations / Title 21 - Food and Drugs / Vol. 2 / 2012-04-01342
 131.110 Milk. (a) Description. Milk is the lacteal secretion, practically free from colostrum, obtained by the complete milking of one or more healthy cows. Milk that is in final package form for beverage use shall have been pasteurized or ultrapasteurized, and shall contain not less than 81/4 percent milk solids not fat and not less than 31/4 percent milkfat. Milk may have been adjusted by separating part of the milkfat therefrom, or by adding thereto cream, concentrated milk, dry whole milk, skim milk, concentrated skim milk, or nonfat dry milk. Milk may be homogenized.


(b) Vitamin addition (Optional). (1) If added, vitamin A shall be present in such quantity that each quart of the food contains not less than 2000 International Units thereof within limits of good manufacturing practice. (2) If added, vitamin D shall be present in such quantity that each quart of the food contains 400 International Units thereof within limits of good manufacturing practice. (c) Optional ingredients. The following safe and suitable ingredients may be used: (1) Carriers for vitamins A and D. (2) Characterizing flavoring ingredients (with or without coloring, nutritive sweetener, emulsifiers, and stabilizers) as follows: (i) Fruit and fruit juice (including concentrated fruit and fruit juice). (ii) Natural and artificial food flavorings. (d) Methods of analysis. Referenced methods are from “Official Methods of Analysis of the Association of Official Analytical Chemists,” 13th Ed. (1980), which is incorporated by reference. Copies may be obtained from the AOAC INTERNATIONAL, 481 North Frederick Ave., suite 500, Gaithersburg, MD 20877, or may be examined at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). For information on the availability of this material at NARA, call 202-741-6030, or go to: http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/code_of_federal_regulations/ibr_locations.html. (1) Milkfat content—“Fat, Roese-Gottlieb Method—Official Final Action,” section 16.059. (2) Milk solids not fat content—Calculated by subtracting the milk fat content from the total solids content as determined by the method “Total Solids, Method I—Official Final Action,” section 16.032. (3) Vitamin D content—“Vitamin D—Official Final Action,” sections 43.195-43.208. (e) Nomenclature. The name of the food is “milk”. The name of the food shall be accompanied on the label by a declaration indicating the presence of any characterizing flavoring, as specified in § 101.22 of this chapter. (1) The following terms shall accompany the name of the food wherever it appears on the principal display panel or panels of the label in letters not less than one-half the height of the letters used in such name: (i) If vitamins are added, the phrase “vitamin A” or “vitamin A added”, or “vitamin D” or “vitamin D added”, or “vitamin A and D” or “vitamins A and D added”, as is appropriate. The word “vitamin” may be abbreviated “vit.”. (ii) The word “ultra-pasteurized” if the food has been ultra-pasteurized. (2) The following terms may appear on the label: (i) The word “pasteurized” if the food has been pasteurized. (ii) The word “homogenized” if the food has been homogenized. (f) Label declaration. Each of the ingredients used in the food shall be declared on the label as required by the applicable sections of parts 101 and 130 of this chapter.

[42 FR 14360, Mar. 15, 1977, as amended at 47 FR 11822, Mar. 19, 1982; 49 FR 10090, Mar. 19, 1984; 54 FR 24892, June 12, 1989; 58 FR 2890, Jan. 6, 1993]