Obama gave an impassioned speech - Page 10

OMG, Reagan was a spendaholic. You have a short memory and a narrow mind. Reagan added to the debt at a break neck speed please do research. So, you then agree that Obama had no choice to spend to keep us out of a great depression because of Bush's failed policies? And why would a group of conservatives vote him back into office when he did  the exact opposite of what conservatives stand for? I mean seriously. You can try and backpedal the past and give excuses but using Reagan as an example is pretty funny.

I am done here as you and others talk out both sides and you make very little sense. Reagan, ROTFLMFAO.

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We don't need to give excuses.  ANYONE was a better candidate than John Kerry!!  And nobody else's spending justifies Obama's.  Different times call for different measures. 

There, a response without a single insult.  Too bad you won't be reading it.

That's what I would assume, but I want to make sure.

Travels,

Admin cherry picks what he responds to.  Seems HE's gone off pouting...

or run out of insults?LOL
 

What was an insult? Show me one word that was insulting in my last post? You are the one who loves to insult. Do you remember your first words to me? I do. If you are going to say a short memory and narrow mind as my insult, well I am insulted that you take that as an insult compared to what you said to me.

And I never pout, I just don't need to respond to non-sense. Reagan, LMAO. Get real.

↵Felloffer,
This is the fact I want to discuss that your emotions should allow for focus, and not to falsehoods of the standard NRA crap, but a survival truth to make it obvious and painfully clear: If the shooter had been forced to reload more often, less would have died. 

December 14, 2012, he went out -- armed with 10 30-round magazines for his semiautomatic Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15 rifle and bullets for his two handguns and a shotgun. Lanza didn't make it home alive. Nor did the 26 people -- 20 of them schoolchildren ages 6 and 7 -- he shot dead in less than five minutes, firing one bullet roughly every two seconds he was at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/28/us/connecticut-shooting-documents

"Can't you find a way to say what's on your mind that's not belittling and offensive? How about - I disagree with BeeTree/Blitzen/whomever and here's why...............................Blitzen

Admin,

I believe I asked if you were an ostrich.  Not a very noble bird, but hardly a devastating slur. If it was something more harsh, I sincerely apologize.  I have since tried to stay on topic.  Short memory, narrow minds, "talk out both sides" and "you make very little sense" are all personal attacks.  I would prefer you give examples of such and let the quotes speak for themselves without all the labels and conclusions. Show me the evidence not just opinions because you don't agree with me.  And please consider that sometimes things seem inconsistent or incomplete from post to post just because we don't take the time to explain things thoroughly on a forum.

For example, my honest answer regarding Bush's re-election,is that most sitting presidents get the nomination for a second term, especially when there is an ongoing "crisis"(2 wars).  Also, many people believed 9/11 made Bush act out of character and were willing to give him a second chance.  But I still think they preferred Laura Bush over Theresa Heinz as First Lady.  I know that got my vote, LOL.  Now doesn't that make sense?!

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Bee,

 I'm not at all interested in what the NRA has to say, I live in Canada. What does magazine capacity have to do with gun registration? You're changing the subject again, this is why I gave up on our conversation in the other thread. Try to stay on topic, can you provide anything that supports the idea that gun registries curb illegal gun violence?

If Lanza had 10 round magazines he would have been able to fire off the same amount of rounds in maybe 6 or 7 minutes instead of 5 minutes. Do you really think this would have saved any of those children's lives? By the way, a magazine can be changed in less than 10 seconds.

 

Micaho,

Those aren't personal attacks. Wow, you are very sensitive. A personal attack is like a member saying you like little children. WOW. BTW, your post to me had to deal with my intelligence and inferred that by my getting involved in a thread that the thread was now being ruined by my lack of intelligence. I can probably find it but you aren't worth the time I would have to spend to look for it so I will not waste my precious time searching for something I clearly remember. Oh and after you made that post you took off and didn't show yourself for some time.

Now to deal with your hero conservative Reagan.

http://www.businessinsider.com/one-more-must-see-chart-on-government-spending-under-obama-and-reagan-2012-1

ORIGINAL POST, SEE UPDATE BELOW: Earlier we made the argument that the Obama recovery has been much more impressive than the Reagan recovery since A) The conditions Obama inherited were wildly worse and B) Federal government spending under Obama didn't grow as fast as it did under Reagan.

But we were just looking at Federal Government spending.

Here's a look at annual government spending growth at all levels: federal, state, and local.

Here it's even more lopsided. In Reagan's first four years in office, government spending grew by at least 7.5 percent, and in the first two years, government spending grew by over10 percent year-over-year. Obama hasn't had one year of government spending growth over 7.5 percent, and the growth in government spending in 2011 that appears as the second smallest in this chart, is actually the third smallest since WWII.

Although GDP has been mediocre under Obama, he's achieved a rebound in growth with much less stimulus than Reagan did, and, it should be noted, that despite predictions from many economists, there's been no double dip, unlike with Reagan.

Again: Obama 1, Gipper 0.

UPDATE: It's been noted by some that it's unfair to compare government spending growth under Obama and Reagan this way, since it doesn't account for inflation, which was obviously much higher in the early '80s.

Using real dollars, adjusting for inflation, we get a slightly different picture, but only just slightly different.

The growth in real government spending during Obama's first two years was ahead of Reagan's first two years, but following that, Reagan really kicked it into overdrive, especially in the mid '80s. Government spending, while it got an initial jolt under Obama, is now shrinking at the fastest pace since the late '60s.

Furthermore, at no point has government spending growth under Obama been unusually high, as you can see in the second chart, which dates back to 1947.

And here's that same chart going back to 1954, which further emphasizes how restrained spending has been under Obama.

Again, given all this, the  economic rebound under Obama looks extremely impressive.

I am not changing anything, I went with your challenge. There were hidden rules to it? Not fair. Or, sorry if you can't keep up. I have facets and you only want to go where you see the path. I know what is going on. I am not playing into your trap. I know you want to take "emotion" off the table. You want to equate it to irrational thinking. You want to discount what is going to make the change in our gun culture happen.

And what happened in the other post, you bailed by accusing me of thinking like Shtal and some other insult was thrown in, I'm pretty sure! Ridiculous! You don't want to talk to me, fine by me, it is easy, just don't mention my name in a post.

Felloffer, gun registries are successful in stopping felons from obtaining legal weapons, not illegal ones, so what's your point? Why would any one care if their gun and ammo purchases are recorded if they are law abiding, considerate citizens? It is that paranoia that someone is going to come and steal them from you in the thick of the night? Yes, that is what I think about all the anti-government ranters.
 

...firing one bullet roughly every two seconds, ...
That means a minimum of 30 bullets in that minute you gave me, that's a whole classroom of kids. So, yes, it does make a difference.