9 mo black gsd male without basic obedience. Help - Page 3

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Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 22 December 2020 - 13:12

A dog left alone outside when it is still getting used to a new owner and environment is likely to bark, annoying the neighbours, dig, and maybe even jump the fence. NOT a good idea!

When I adopted a new dog that wasn't quite housebroken yet, I left him outside when I went to work. Unfortunately, that was the day the neighbour was having some work done on her house. I came home to find a complaint from Animal Control on my front door, as he'd spent the whole day barking at the work crew!

I never repeated that mistake.


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 22 December 2020 - 16:12

Apart from the obvious practical problems with annoying neighbours and fencing that maybe would not keep an unsettled dog in their new yard ;D ;D ...

Maybe we are not being fair to the breed ValK ? We do not KNOW this (or any particular) GSD would be so 'pussifed' that they would be stressed out by being left outside for long periods, that is just the (very new) owner's assessment of this dog.

Perhaps the dog will eventually surprise in this respect. I have known dogs a human might think would not cope well with all sorts of stresses, which have then proved them wrong. Not good to jump to conclusions or generalise about an animal we have never met ...


by ValK on 22 December 2020 - 17:12

look what we have today... dogs, to whom is stressful to be left lone, dogs with weak nerves, whose fearfulness manifested though vocal expression to anything, dogs, who not smart enough to distinguish real threat from common human's activity next door, dogs, who can't handle changes/harshness of weather, etc.
do you think that kind of dogs was envisioned upon establishing breed?

Rik

by Rik on 22 December 2020 - 19:12

I used an ecollar on 1 dog. but I am not a high level competitor/trainer.

this one could not be outside unless on leash or a fenced area, any leaf blow by and she was off. finally got my fill of this and used the ecollar when she didn't respond to recall as I had no use for a dog that had no control, and this was after a lot of basics, so she knew what was expected.

Valk, your comment on "discrimination" was interesting. this has always been a virtue that I put a lot of value on. not all dogs have it.


Jumpy1167

by Jumpy1167 on 22 December 2020 - 22:12

Get rid of the clicker unless you plan on having a clicker with you ALL THE TIME. A simple well timed “yes” will work wonders and you always will have your voice.

I would ABSOLUTELY crate the pup when you are not home and also whenever you cannot supervise the pup. It’s not mean, it’s setting boundaries and you will need boundaries with any dog, but especially a GSD. Please do not get one of the wire crates(they can easily escape from those...it costs more upfront, but they last much longer, I always purchase the travel type crates. Dogs are den animals and they will see the crate as their safe spot. It will also allow you to know to have piece of mind knowing the pup is safe.

Also invest in a herm sprenger pinch collar, have someone show you the correct way it should be fitted. Those collars are life savers. Always end training on a positive note and you decide when there has been enough training done for that session.

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 23 December 2020 - 05:12

Yes ValK we have SOME dogs today you can say all that about. We do NOT have ALL dogs today that you can say it about. There has always been a percentage of the GSD breed that didn't 'come up to scratch', even in its earliest days - such is the nature of dog breeds, and dogs generally.

Whether it is worse, ie a higher proportion, today or not, we also have to take account the perceptions of the people dealing with the dogs (and 'fashions' in the interpretation of dog-ownership & dog behaviour have changed too !); rather than such a broad-brush 'slagging off' approach that you use.  I do wish you wouldn't.It's a good thing the dogs cannot read the sort of things you keep saying about them !   :D


by jillmissal on 23 December 2020 - 08:12

Get rid of the clicker unless you plan on having a clicker with you ALL THE TIME. A simple well timed “yes” will work wonders and you always will have your voice.

Nah, that's not accurate. Clicker and voice can be used interchangeably and for different reasons/effects. Sometimes a voice marker can be too stimulating to the dog and the more mechanical noise of the clicker is more clear. And you can use the clicker at home and use marker training away from home without issue. Clicker is a great way to start with a dog that's wound up and has no foundation training. 


Jumpy1167

by Jumpy1167 on 23 December 2020 - 10:12

“Nah, that's not accurate. Clicker and voice can be used interchangeably and for different reasons/effects. Sometimes a voice marker can be too stimulating to the dog and the more mechanical noise of the clicker is more clear. And you can use the clicker at home and use marker training away from home without issue. Clicker is a great way to start with a dog that's wound up and has no foundation training. “

I agree; however, if a clicker is NOT timed correctly it will not work as well. So unless the person training has perfect timing the clicker could mark u desired behaviors. I am not saying a clicker is not a good thing, but if the person is overwhelmed by undesirable behaviors then the clicker is one more thing the person has to worry about.
Since the pup has zero manners one has to take a deep breath relax and positively reward desired behaviors...either by a well place yes, or a clicker, but whatever marker is used the person has to have good timing and cannot become overwhelmed or frustrated because the pup WILL know.

by ValK on 23 December 2020 - 11:12

Hundmutte you can believe in whatever you like, albeit reality is not SOME but prevailing majority of present days and seems that percentage, you refer to, have passed critical point after which changes for breed as per se do become overall irreversible.
in big part because majority of those GSDs for many generations have been living and multiplying in created by owners environmental and psychological greenhouse bubble.
for many breeders objective critical assessment of their breeding stock is not acceptable because their perception of those dogs founded on "my baby" attitude.

by jillmissal on 23 December 2020 - 11:12

 if a clicker is NOT timed correctly it will not work as well. So unless the person training has perfect timing the clicker could mark u desired behaviors. 

That applies to verbal markers as well.

Honestly, dog training is really not as hard as people want to make it out to be. Any layperson can bumble through figuring out when to click the clicker and make progress with the dog.  NO ONE has "perfect" timing yet dogs get trained, what can you do. 






 


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