future of policedogs - Page 4

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by Hired Dog on 09 November 2020 - 02:11

Duke, I believe you, which is why I said that what is good for you in a dog may not be good for me one or the person across the street, etc.
I am not exactly sure why they are turning down so many dogs, but, I am guessing its because looks matter when you pull a dog out of the car...I dont know...

Valk, the KNPV is made up of mostly non registered dogs, the NVBK the same thing, yet, all of those dogs have pedigrees and the old timers can tell you, just by looking at one, where it came from, the breeder, etc.
Papers are a breeders problem, not a working K-9 guy. He/she does not care about that, about what the registered name of the dog was or that his grandfather was the great whoever....can this dog work?
I have papers on my current puppy, they are somewhere, I am not exactly sure where, I have not registered him with the AKC yet, I may some day, but, I am not a breeder, so, I dont really care.

 

Valk, I forgot to ask you, that dog in the picture looks like a GSD...why do you ask what he is...what do you think he is? It certainly does not look like a donkey, it does fit the physical parameters of a GSD, but, since you asked, I will say GSD.

What happens to puppies left over after a litter produces a single dog capable of being a police dog? I have no idea, what did they do with them in the DDR kennels, or the kennels of today when they dont have what it takes to work? Again, that is not an agency problem, its a breeder problem. 


by ValK on 09 November 2020 - 13:11

Hired Dog
i didn't ask, i know his purity and think that dog not just pure GSD but in my opinion is exemplary in view of how anatomically perfect german shepherd male dog should looks like. if police went into monetary expenses to use him for breeding, beside appearance very likely he does provide desirable behavioral traits. if Turkish police has own breeding program, and will decide to use his descendants in it, they will use their internal breeding records to match and arrange correct matings. at least that's how was organized breeding at border kennel without any reliance on the records in national register. i guess RCMP operates similarly. at least i know for sure they do not provide any papers for sold pups, buyers can use to register dogs with CKC, AKC, etc.
i don't understand situation and how operating the breeders without traceable history of dogs outside of specific institutions.
if their dogs come from registered ones then what a big deal to register those dogs as well?
if dog's past is not traceable then how they keep continuity into future matings without single, accessible for other breeders history of previous matings?
pretty much puzzling for me.

by Hired Dog on 09 November 2020 - 13:11

The way I understand it Valk, with the NVBK or even the KNPV, if you have a great male, you breed him to a really nice female and see what comes out. If the resultant litter produced good pups, you note that and move on from there with your breeding plans. I know of someone who was trying to recreate a dog that is dead from that dog's descendants.
It took a long time picking the right dogs and the right pups and and breeding, I dont know if he ever succeeded, but, that was his goal.
I so believe that they have records of who bred to whom and what was produced and all relevant information, I am not a breeder so I dont know the details.

by johan77 on 09 November 2020 - 15:11

Hired dog,

dogs that donĀ“t make it as police/military-dogs are given for free to their "fosterparents" if they want to keep it, or by someone else who are intressted, or other users like security or similar looking for a dog if speaking of the swedish breedingprogram.

Valk, nice looking dog but looks are very low on the priority for a breedingprogram for pure workingdogs besides a functional structure.

by xPyrotechnic on 09 November 2020 - 16:11

why dont police agencies start working together to make a global breeding program of police dogs using frozen semens or other means?

by Hired Dog on 09 November 2020 - 16:11

Johan, thank you, I am aware of how that works, the question asked by Valk is, what do the commercial breeders who breed for police work dogs do with the ones that do not make the grade?
I am sure not everyone has a foster dog program, plus, if you have a large operation, breeding many females a year, its unreasonable to think that you have that many people waiting for one of your pups to foster.
I dont really want to think about it, I have been in this too long to remember what breeders did many decades a go.

by Hired Dog on 09 November 2020 - 16:11

Pyro, who is in charge of that Global breeding program? Who decides what dogs get bred, what temperament these dogs must have when agencies around the world have different needs?
Who gets to breed these dogs and where? Who gets to keep the best pups, the ones that see them first, the ones next on some list, who?
It sounds nice, but, humans being what we are...I dont ever see it happening.

by xPyrotechnic on 09 November 2020 - 17:11

solid points

Koots

by Koots on 09 November 2020 - 17:11

Even a country-wide effort is a lofty goal. The RCMP have only a fraction of the LE K9s in Canada, and only a portion of their breeding program pups make the cut. Too many different agendas, requirements, standards to amalgamate a global breeding effort. Also, lack of expertise in genotyoe & phenotype selection to bring the best together will limit any program. Heck, you can't even get 2 sport breeders to agree on what they want to produce, lol.

by ValK on 09 November 2020 - 20:11

johan77
sure, he has very rich and interesting color but that's not what i referred to.
impression was from his anatomy aka bone carcass, muscular mass, overall proportions and sturdiness of build.
generally speaking from things which absent in prevailing majority of today's GSDs.
damn, even from still image the physical strength of that dog can be felt.
i hadn't met that dog to judge his temperament but as i speculated in previous post, the police wouldn't be interested in dog without desirable for work traits and i don't think even Turkish police need dogs only to show them in parades :)





 


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