by ValK on 14 August 2020 - 16:08
as for your friend's dog, hard to say without knowing dog and his handler. but if a person is able to manage that dog, it's still not bad.
for breeding purpose, i believe breed need dogs like this. way too many soft and submissive GSDs around.
just selection for mating must be done wisely.
Nans, i guess it's all depends on person and how relation with dog have been build.
by Koots on 14 August 2020 - 18:08
Valk - this is the ped of my dog bred by my friend (sire is dog I described). This was not my dog but same ped:
My dog was very stable, guidable, clear-headed, had strong nerve, great environmental soundness, and was open/social. He was a great dog, and went on to become a certified K9 (Victoria, BC). His handler later moved to Australia & took the dog with him. I visited them while on vacation there, many years later, and the dog was a happy-go-lucky guy.
Point is, even though the sire of my dog had that 'dominance' about him, it did not make my dog like that. My dog was able to switch handlers when he became a police K9 candidate and perform well with his LE partner.
by Baerenfangs Erbe on 14 August 2020 - 18:08
Right now I have an incredibly resilient and strong dog that lives for the fight but he is the sweetest, most gentle dog in social situations. He's loyal to a fault. You would never know what this dog is, if you met him on the farmers market.
I grew up with these type of dogs. You can absolutely have a strong dominant yet social dog. They don't have to be assholes! That's what makes a German Shepherd dog what is a German Shepherd Dog.
by Hired Dog on 14 August 2020 - 18:08
You are correct, they dont have to be assholes, but, most of them are. It may depend on how they were raised, kennel dogs VS house dogs, how old they were when they come into your life, etc.
Training also has a lot to do with it also...some people cannot train and cause more issues. I have yet to see a genetically true dominant dog that was not an asshole when pushed.
by apple on 14 August 2020 - 20:08
by GSCat on 15 August 2020 - 05:08
I found the bond between handler and dominant dog is much stronger than less/non-dominant dog. It takes a lot longer to forge, more difficult as others have noted, and a lot more work. The biggest problems are if the handler cannot do what is necessary, or there has to be a handler change, or the handler dies. The dog might never work with anyone else if he/she bonded with the original handler. It's more/different than the one-person dog characteristic that many GSD have.
Add in some true handler aggression characteristics in the dog and the bond is stronger yet when established. The relationship is also a little different (not better or worse, just different).
PS: In case someone new to GSD is reading this now or in the future, not for the faint-of-heart or inexperienced, and not necessary for a GSD to be a *real* (civil/protective/working) GSD. If not worked properly, can actually be counterproductive. My personal preference only. There are a lot of people with a lot more knowledge and experience than me on here that do not prefer/like it.
by ValK on 15 August 2020 - 19:08
by apple on 15 August 2020 - 22:08
by ValK on 15 August 2020 - 23:08
well, look at the base - it's nothing else but redirection of dog's frustration to closest object. it's not necessarily should be handler. name come from fact, that person on the another end of leash very often is a person who turned out to be closest one to dog. but often that frustration can be redirected to person, who isn't dog's handler and just happened to be near by. the dog do not discriminate in this case whom to use to discharge itself.
in case of dominance, attack on handler is not redirection of frustration but calculated attempt to solve existed issue. person who holds that leash may consider self to be dog's handler but not necessarily that dog see it same way :)
b.t.w. handler aggression is not curable trait, when the rank's aggression in most cases can be solved.
by apple on 16 August 2020 - 08:08