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Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 01 July 2019 - 20:07

So Mr & Mrs L of Haus A only send out papers to the dealer (for that is what this Jenn is, clearly) once she pays up, and don't care to involve themselves on behalf of the puppy purchaser(s) ? Well I suppose technicaly that is their right - but it still sounds as though this could be a nice little scam if they can find people who will pay twice, just to get the paperwork they are entitled to. They surely know Jenn is buying to sell on ? Or they will if she's purchased in numbers. If not, they do now. Not a German kennel people in the UK seem to do business with much, if at all; maybe that is wise of UK buyers, maybe US buyers should also steer clear, if the money is the breeders only concern, not the ongoing lives of the pups they breed & sell, or the identity & character of the people being sold to.

by lordzero on 03 July 2019 - 17:07

I agree, i guess i am not a business person, i always went beyond my duty to help out clients that get scammed. On the other next time i buy a dog ...i will stir away from funny characters

Western Rider (admin)

by Western Rider on 04 July 2019 - 18:07

HausAmbergShepherds would explain why you would not be willing to work with those that Jenn is scamming who have puppies you bred. I just don't know why if they are willing to pay you your original asking price that you would not let them have the papers at the very least if not just give them their puppy paper as they did pay for them and then continue your legal action with Jenn.

Your not being willing to help the puppy buyers is allowing Jenn to perpetuate this scam on them and making you a part of the scam. Not a good title to have here.

If you do not wish to answer here you can PM me your answer or email it to me http://Westernrider00@yahoo.com,

 

by Cahns Mom on 05 July 2019 - 19:07

I agree with most of your comments above. I would like to believe I can side with the breeder on this but the longer this goes on and the more I am told conflicting stories (and there have been quite a few) it is hard not to believe we aren't smack in the middle of a scam from both sides. And as much as I love my dog, Im not paying for her twice. The papers do not have any value to either party, only the puppy buyers. There is only one reason in my opinion that the papers are being held and that is in hopes that if Jenn doesn't pay Haus Amberg that the puppy buyers will pay what Jenn owes . What Jenn is guilty of does not require that the Haus Amberg keep the puppies Pink Papers & paperwork. He can still take her to court and sue her without holding the papers as dogs are considered “goods” under the law and if she owes him money he doesn’t need to hold the papers to prove or get what she owes him. They had a contract and that is all he needs. As i said before, I don't think Jennifer Bayliff has the money to pay Haus Amberg and the chances of her ever paying off her debt isn't looking good at all. She has a past to prove that. This should have stayed between the two of them and not become a hostage situation. We shouldn't have to be the ones to fork out thousands more for what we already paid for. So wrong.
Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 05 July 2019 - 20:07

Absolutely. If Haus Amberg needed to keep the papers for court action, they should have said so - and got on with taking that action. If not, then keeping photocopies to prove the papers/puppies existed and were part of the transaction should be more than sufficient ... and the originals of all documents should have been passed to the puppy owners. Its not as though the breeder doesn't know who Jenn sold them on to. As you say, Cahnsmom, the papers are no longer of any value except to the current owners of the dogs. But for them, they are very necessary. So they should be given them, end of.
Western Rider (admin)

by Western Rider on 05 July 2019 - 23:07

I do agree with your interpretation of what is written CahnsMom, that it looks like both parties have a scam going on and that can cost both of them.

I bet that the price Jenn paid for the pups was at least 3 times less than what she charged you so if you were to pay the breeder it should in no way be thousands just a few hundred if the kennel is not here in the states.

As far as the papers go, sorry to say, they can sell those for money or just put them another dog and sell it.  It is a big market.


by hexe on 06 July 2019 - 05:07

Wouldn't hurt to write to the SV and present them with all of the facts involved in these murky transactions involving Haus Amberg and Jenn Bayliff/Court Caldwell/Vom Haus Caldwell or whatever other name she hangs on her shingle for her next 'deal'.

I can't imagine it would be something the SV would want to encourage, selling puppies to people in the US and then holding their papers hostage--that sort of thing will eventually affect the market for these brokered imports here, and a reduced market here will mean fewer litters will be bred solely for the US export market money, and thus fewer registrations putting money into the SV's coffers.
Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 06 July 2019 - 07:07

WR, they can't 'just' put the papers on another dog and sell it. They can knowingly commit fraud and use the papers for another pup, sure !

by Cahns Mom on 06 July 2019 - 13:07

 SV was written Sept 2018.  I received a reply from them stating that since transaction was made here in USA they cannot help.  I really didn't expect that they would help but felt like the information should be documented.  

Western Rider (admin)

by Western Rider on 06 July 2019 - 17:07

Hund, fraud or not they do it all the time. 

The Admins on this site have hunted down and removed a whole lot of scammers. We used to give chances and listen to excuses before action, not anymore.

I will be much quicker to remove a member if there is a complaint especially if they make no effort to make things right. 

If they have scammed one person then you have to think that there are several more we have not heard about.



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