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by duke1965 on 13 April 2019 - 18:04

just like great grand puppies from famous dog or worldchampion, so and so is a sales pitch, and those dogs dont differ many times from any other litter advertised, really ?? to get upset about that apple ??

by hexe on 13 April 2019 - 18:04

To a novice who may have done some reading up on the GSD in the DDR, when it still existed, reading that a dog obtained it's title or breed survey in 'East Germany' may give them the idea that the title or rating was done using the old DDR systems, which were purportedly 'tougher' than those used with the SV system. Those more familiar with the situation would certainly not take that to mean the dog was titled under the DDR scoring and rating systems, of course.

So I can see why apple wondered about that phrasing, just as I can see why zmelli didn't give it a second's thought when writing the ad--the club where the dog was tested is located in the Eastern part of Germany, thus the dog earned her titles in 'East Germany'. Novices do frequently shop for dogs in the PDB classifieds, however, so it is best to make everything clear enough in an ad that even a novice will not misunderstand the information included in that ad.

by zmelli on 13 April 2019 - 19:04

well said hexe

by ValK on 13 April 2019 - 19:04

duke, wertmessziffer rating had no references to parents and grandparents. nevertheless it was main tool for assessing dog's suitability as a service dog for practical utilization and SDK did make sure, no crap slip in.
mind you, goal to breed GSDs for purpose to become pet in former DDR was not existent.
the dogs were evaluated for what they certainly worth by itself and following use in breeding was based not on parents/grand parents but on potentialities of particular dog.
even in that if dog pass the test, it didn't mean that that dog would be recommended and used in breeding.
goal was not a quantity but rather usable qualities of dogs.

by duke1965 on 13 April 2019 - 21:04

missing the point by a mile, but nevermind

by ValK on 14 April 2019 - 02:04

and those dogs dont differ many times from any other litter advertised, really ??

 sorry if i misread your post and saw grain of skepticism in it toward my previous message.
anyway, my point was - mentioning words "DDR parents", "East German pups", etc. in ads where dogs selected for mating on basis "whatever, just with reference to DDR background regardless of dogs itself" is a conscious attempt to deceive buyer into believe that he or she will get something better than usual.

by duke1965 on 14 April 2019 - 05:04

Valk, I think about zero procent of todays buyers of "DDR " dogs are looking for anything even close to what they were Original meant to be

same like most people bragging their WUSV winner great grandfather of their pup have intentions of going to, or desire to have a dog capable of winning the WUSV

so if one would scan all puppy ads for "misleading" info or unrealistic promises, go ahead Wink Smile


by Hundmutter on 14 April 2019 - 07:04

Think Duke has a point - majority of buying public just like climbing on the latest bandwagon or buzzwords, they don't really know what it is they think the description should mean, let alone using it to full potential if they get it. Or start out with good intentions, then realise how much commitment that will take, so they fade out.  There are of course a few people who DO know what they are after, like ValK, and can & will make the most of it if they can get it. But they are  way outnumbered ! So yes it would be very nice and ever so helpful if all advertisers were scrupulously honest and accurate about their advertising descriptions ... but hey, welcome to the real world Teeth Smile

by ValK on 14 April 2019 - 15:04

I think about zero procent of todays buyers of "DDR " dogs are looking for anything even close to what they were

duke, could be you right. but i guess some buyers "DDR" dogs do looking for dogs on premise of exceptionally good health and reliability in real life surrounding, for what former DDR dogs did become famous and do expect to find this in acquired pups. but not realizing fact that in former DDR such qualities been achieved by extremely diligent and scrupulous selection under supervision of regulatory body, where cheating was impossible and actually not necessary because no any sort of profit was involved.

by apple on 15 April 2019 - 11:04

Glad to hear it was just an oversight.
Regarding someone advertising a breeding going back to international IPO/IGP winners tells you something about potential genetics, but there is so much more to understand like the impact of judging, training vs. genetics, point dogs not usually being the best working dogs, etc.

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