by joanro on 08 November 2018 - 02:11
by Jessejones on 08 November 2018 - 02:11
been gone a mere 30 hours and there are so many new comments on so many threads, that I can’t even keep up!
Ok, let me see, where do I start?
Thank you! I am SO glad to hear it is going better! Hang in there, and stay in touch! Your Rocky is a handsome young man!
Feeding a puppy raw is raw hell...They will literally eat you out of house and home...and eat the hair from your head. I did use kibble and raw for the puppy. They eat so much that it is hard otherwise. And, I do get a bit nervous that they get all vitamins, so I do default to some kibble in the puppy stage...but mostly raw.
Kaylee is right... If raw is not done correctly, a good kibble might be better. It must include muscle meat 80%, organs10% and bone 10%. And, not all raw meaty bones have the same amount of bone percent...so you have to know your bones. There are charts out there telling how much bone is in each cut. I’ll try to find the charts and post.
How much to feed depends on the weight of you dog. Some use a scale. I just eyeball the dogs waistline. It is good to fast a dog at least 12 hours up to 24 hours, now and then anyway (don’t overdo the 24 hour one though).
Susie- The butcher trade is dying out over here. It is not like Germany. Supermarkets have taken over selling pre packed meat. Things in Europe that are considered delicacies in local dishes, like lung or thyroids, can’t even be sold.
Here are the pics from yesterdays breakfast for my 75# boy. Remember, not every meal needs to be complete. Balance over the week is fine:
Duck necks for bone, beef, chicken liver, red cabbage, cellerie, spinach, 1 clove garlic (garlic-only once a week is not toxic), plain Jogurt - about 3 tables spoons - or more if you like, 1 table spoon coconut oil, and my handy Magic Bullet to make the Vegi glop.
Now again, many don’t do vegis, but I do...along with some carbs. My choice after studying raw for years. But, just my opinion. There are many adamant no vegi people out there and that is fine too.
This meal took 4 minutes to make and serve.
I’ll post this now, cause I know the editor will conk out shortly - it always does!
by 1Ruger1 on 08 November 2018 - 03:11
by Jessejones on 08 November 2018 - 03:11
Beautiful pup! Love his look!
Next meal was from today:
This one shows my plastic tub that I keep in the icebox, where I rotate the frozen meat to thaw for about 20 hours and to use up within 3 days of taking out of freezer. I always keep it full and have to think ahead a day and a half. But it is easy once you get the routine.
Chicken backs (bone, spine, tail, pelvic bone- all soft bones, no splinter danger, birds are only a few weeks old), beef, lamb kidney, for vegi glop: carrot, fennel, piece of black bread (I don’t do no carb...I do low carb, I rotate bread, oatmeal, buckwheat, potatoes about once every 7 days) and teaspoon of Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar.
Put vegis and bread into blender with 1/4 or so water, blend...chop up meat (or not...some don’t chop, I do. This is vegi amount for my 2 dogs daily portion..)
Everything in bowl...feed.
I always give the bone parts last, after the main meal, because I don’t want the dogs to inhale them, which they do if they are given them first. also, if multiple dogs, feed the dogs apart if feeding bones.
Took less than 5 minutes...eaten in 1 minute.
15 years, every day...never a salmonella and no bone issues.
I only rinse the blender thoroughly with very hot water, and put into dish drainer, as no fat or meat is put into blender. I wash it with Dawn only every few days. Cutting board and knife, I wash all the time very hot and only with Dawn and once a day in dishwasher. I always use the same utensils for the dogs. Easy and fast.
I feel a bit wierd posting the pics...because I know some people in the world do not have access to this type of meat or even food for an animal. Meat in the USA is probably more available and not as expensive as in some other countries. I don’t mean to be disrespectful to those circumstances. And I appreciate being in any circumstance when trying to feed the dog you love with what is available to you. And if only kibble is available to you, and you want to feed raw but don’t have the means, don’t worry. My advice would be to just feed as much fresh as you can.
I was in the deep deep countryside of China recently, at a farm, and they feed their dogs mostly boiled potatoes and beets. And the dogs looked great too (they were pets and guard dogs)
So in the end...what do we really know!!!?
by 1Ruger1 on 08 November 2018 - 03:11
by Kaylee on 08 November 2018 - 06:11
LOL! jessiejones your kitchen looks much better than mine does. I swear sometimes we feed our dogs better than we feed ourselves.
@ ruger, he's a very handsome boy
I firmly believe that the best food we can feed our dogs is what works best for the dog affordably. With raw, you have to balance over time, have variety in your proteins and do it they way it works for you. Start off slowly, not too many things at once to avoid digestive upsets and gradually keep adding more things. Like jessiejones said, adjust over time according to your dog's needs. It's also important to WATCH your dog eat. Some dogs are gulpers and you've got to chop up meat into smaller pieces or feed a big enough chunk like ribs they won't try to swallow it in one go. A lot of dogs don't know how to chew right off and have to figure it out.
I feed chicken, pork, beef and venison as my main proteins. Lamb, rabbit, turkey, guinea pig, duck, quail, squirrel and goat as I can source it. Whole eggs 3-4 times a week. Fruit and veggies I'll share as a treat while I'm snacking and I do a fresh glop similar to jessiejones a few times a week. Salmon oil, 1 capful of Bragg's cider vinegar & a spoonful of coconut oil each meal (oils for the omega3). I add a half teaspoon of kelp and a spoonful of K9 Feed-sentials for trace minerals to each meal. Vitamin E 3 times a week. Sometimes I can sneak in salmon or a sardine or two but my dog hates fish.
If I'm feeding whole prey like rabbit, squirrel and guinea pigs, it goes in the bowl hair and all. If I'm doing a frankenprey meal, chicken, turkey, pork necks I use for bone. A typical meal might be very similar to jessiejones' meals. I've never had a problem with feeding necks, backs, ribs, tails or chicken quarters. I don't give large weight bearing bones. I have a power chewer that wouldn't have any teeth left at all if I did. My dog will usually take the egg out and set it aside. Then eat all the nice soft bits, chew up the meaty bones, then eat the egg and wash the bowl clean. Takes 2-5 minutes. Whole prey gets taken out in the yard and eaten then the bowl gets licked clean.
My routine is different from jessiejones. I do the batch and bag for frankenprey food about 100-120 pounds at the time not counting organs. It takes me about 2 hours to process, weigh and bag. I partially thaw everything I'm going to use in my dog food only outside fridge. I just use a knife, a cutting board and the kitchen sinks. Being partially frozen, the food stays cold! Bone/poultry goes in one side. Meats in the other. I pick my organs, slice up and mix with the meat side. I'll chunk up a few pounds of tripe and add that too. I weigh meals with a digital scale. Bag up a RMB, grab a bit of meat/organ, stuff it and weigh. I can almost eyeball it to the 10th of the ounce now. It's time consuming but I only have to do it every other month. I have dog food specific cutting boards and knives. The scale is dog food only also. Everything gets washed with Dawn & very hot water then goes in the dishwasher. The sinks, counter & backspash gets bleached. Never a problem, never had salmonella or any other infection and I've cut or jabbed myself many times.
I keep 12 of these meals in the house freezer and 4 in the fridge. So 2 days of food in the fridge and 6 days in the freezer. As I use a meal from the fridge, I replace it from the freezer so it can thaw. Once a week I'll bring 12 more meals in from the freezer outside. I'll also bring in 4-8 whole prey items to go in the fridge. Small prey thaws faster than larger prey. As whole prey thaws, I'll use one of those instead of a prepped meal. I travel frequently so I always have food on hand to just toss in a cooler with ice packs and a baggie of kelp and salmon oil capsules.
I feed 2 meals totaling between 2 & 3 1/2 pounds of food a day for a 75 pound dog depending on the season so for me weighing out my batches is important but the actual measurement of each meal not critical. This routine works better for me than prep one meal at a time. I also have a dog food only freezer outside and buy in bulk as much as I can. Slaughter time and hunting seasons, I load up on the harder to get proteins as much as I can get my hands on so I'll have it to feed occassionally all year.
by Hundmutter on 08 November 2018 - 08:11
by Nans gsd on 08 November 2018 - 17:11
Don't know what happened but here it is again.
OK chicken hearts and pieces of gizzard etc just seem too much trouble to me although you do not have to grind or cut up. I use 2% of the pups body weight for adults unless they won't hold their weight then use a higher percentage of food so 100 lb dog gets about 2-4 pounds of food per day; each dog is different. My guy has a chicken sensitivity so I have chosen beef as my first choice.
Prince looks good so thank you for sharing his beautiful picture.
As far as the oats I have used them all, cooked right out of the box instant or cooked or the raw Quaker oats; I use them for stool firmness, if they act a bit too hunger I supplement with oats instead of rice which has no food value whatsoever, brown for fiber only but oats are nutritious. So cooked or raw Quaker; easy to add to food of just put in
bowl with warm water and let them lap them up. You can also use Quinoa but I do cook that a bit. BOL Nan
by Appleboat26 on 08 November 2018 - 20:11
Prince is beautiful...and obviously treasured.
This is a great thread. I am learning a lot as a newbie to feeding raw. Today I added coconut oil to Rocket's bowl and he ate it...so yay! I haven't tried tripe yet, but I ordered some today. He is very picky so I always move cautiously when introducing new foods.
This may be off topic, but does anyone have any experience with panosteitis?
We had it at about 8 months and I read there is a connection to high protein diets and feeding raw.
by mrdarcy on 08 November 2018 - 21:11
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