by Prager on 04 November 2018 - 17:11
Sunsilver you are mistaken worms with maggots. !!!!!!! I am not going to participate in this silliness claiming by corporations brainwashed people that granulated chrome plated crap is better than raw for dog. That is a waste of time. I am going hiking instead.
I will say this before I go though, before we put dogs on the granulated food they lived almost 2 x longer and in Czech until granulated dog food came, torsion was almost unheard of yet it exploded with the introduction of granulated food. This is my direct observation and experience.
by 1Ruger1 on 04 November 2018 - 17:11
I don’t think kibble is what nature intended, but we are so far from what nature intended on so many levels in our day to day living it’s really a moot point to argue.
I do think there are risks in giving dogs bones for all the reasons Joanro mentioned, I also think that there is benefit in feeding bone and other whole foods for the obvious reasons.
So I am going to invest in a grinder as I can’t see there is any other option.
As a side note I’m an Endocopy nurse and perform dozens of upper and lower GI endoscopy procedures daily, and knowing what I do of the intestinal track/ from the esophagus to the rectum I CAN NOT imagine giving my dog bones of any type except large beef bones for chewing ,,,
Just my two cents 😊
by joanro on 04 November 2018 - 19:11
It was very time consuming for more than just a couple dogs. But I did process three cases of chicken frames I got fresh from the slaughter house. Bagged the ground chicken and froze it in big chest freezer. The problem with meat is getting enough other ingredients to ballance the diet. Frames are excellent for the meat/ bone ratio.
by Sunsilver on 04 November 2018 - 19:11
by joanro on 04 November 2018 - 20:11
The neck is still attached and the back, and ribs. Pelvis was taken with leg quarters.
The lungs, tested and kidneys are still in the cavety. Lots of meat left on.
These are the very young, six week old meat chickens, so the bones are very soft...except the neck, which along with the wings is the hardest bones in the chicken.
by beetree on 05 November 2018 - 00:11
A copy/paste from a FB post isn’t verifiable proof, it is heresay. If it was proof, surely it would be documented in the pending lawsuit or with a vet report of some sort. Anyone can post indiscriminately on FB without proof of what they claim. You understand how scientific theory works. Tsk. Tsk.
What you posted could simply be someone else’s hysterics who are seeking to remove blame from themselves. There needs to be something to collaborate your assertion before it is named a fact.
The lawsuit is not based on the dog food manufacturer adding undesirable ingredients such as heavy metals. I saw nowhere, that that was even mentioned or suggested. Instead, it was pointed out that these would not be found from sources in the wild, therefore they can not claim such in their name and advertising. However, a counter argument would be that these elements are naturally occurring and within the limits of a healthy animals digestive system to eliminate or utilize for acceptable health standards. Whether or not the flora and fauna of the wild past is equal or separate from the modern and present wild will have to be debated.
by Prager on 05 November 2018 - 16:11
by Prager on 05 November 2018 - 16:11
by joanro on 05 November 2018 - 17:11
Pragre: Joan you do not have to grind chicken for dogs. Dogs have teeth and canines eat quail for millions of ears. Can you tell me what NATURAL ingredients are missing in meat?
You must not have read my post where I described dogs of mine crapping out big bone shards because they do NOT chew the bones well enough to digest the bones ( defeats the purpose of feeding the dog when the feed comes out like it went in!)
And you must have missed the post from me describing one of my females that had a chicken bone perforate her esophogus and penetrate the skin of her throat when the bone absessed and popped out when I peeled the surface of the absess and squeezed it...the chicken bone popped out and was gross. She was on antibiotics that my vet put her on because he did not know the origin of the absess. Enough puss built up inside it and encapsulated the bone.
I have a friend who raised mini bull terriers and lost her champion male who was the number one mini bull in the country when he choked to deah on a chicken neck.
You don't need to lecture me, pragre, about dogs having teeth....many do not chew well enough in the main, to be able to digest chicken bones....which can and do perforate dogs' intestines....anyone who gives a flying fk about their dog will not risk having them die a painful death with a chicken bone perforating their gut....or choking to death on a chicken neck that has not been chewed sufficiently to pass through to the stomach.
So, yes, in order to be assured the dogs are eating safely and they will get the MAXIMUM neutrition out of the bones by digesting them completely, extracting all the neutrients rather than crapping out long bone shards, the chicken frames or leg quarters need to be ground in to a fine pulp!!!
The only bones I will feed to this day are the pelvis of weanling age goats, deer or beef....or the ribs of weanling age beef.
by mrdarcy on 05 November 2018 - 18:11
Can you guys please post your raw food/feeding comments in the thread about that subject. This thread is about a brand of dried kibble..thanks.
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