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Powerflex

by Powerflex on 23 March 2018 - 13:03


Hello Bun Bun, can't argue with any of the comments here. If you want to have a trainer take your dog from start to finish than it is similar to owning a race horse prospect and sending it off for the bragging rights and hopefully a little revenue to pay the bills.

Or if you are looking for a trainer that can make sure your dog is started correctly for Schutzhund, IPO, then sending a talented prospect to a reliable trainer that you have watched work with other dogs may save time and money in the long run. Starting a dog correctly is always better than trying to fix a mistake later. And yes you have to know how to continue with the proper training which this trainer would be able to help with on a continuing basis.

I am not talking about months, but weeks to start a dog on the right track and at a point you can carry on until you get to the next level. If you are close than by far the best is to be there with your dog on a weekly basis to learn along with the dog. This is where I prefer the best trainer I feel comfortable with, rather than the closest that says they can do the job.

Recommendation, I sent a talented young prospect I wanted to make sure was started correctly to Staatsmacht, Stefan did in 6 weeks what would have taken most 6 months to do and did it right. From that point everything else fell into place. Trainers at this level will tell you if you are wasting their time and your money on a dog that is not capable of your expectations.
If I was closer I would be there every week.

Good Luck.







susie

by susie on 23 March 2018 - 20:03

I am pretty sure there are some good, responsible trainers who board and train in the USA....
I am sorry that no one was mentioned besides Stefan.
The others are right, it's no real fun for a dog, and it doesn't help you.
Why do you want a title?
In case you want a title " only " the title won't help in daily life.
In case you want to breed - the most important part of titling a dog is not the title in itself, but the knowledge you gain about your dog during training.
I'd try to find a club and do it by myself ( you will never forget your first title, it's fun, it's stress, but it's more than special ).
In case there is no good club in your surrounding- so what? There are more than enough GSDS out there- the world is not waiting for this one stud or bitch.
I don't want to sound rude, it's a friendly advice only, told you by a person who trained and titled GSDS for customers...

A dog sent for training doesn't know why it was sent there-it simply feels abandoned.Now there are 2 choices- either the trainer starts training immediately ( the normal procedure ) with a dog that feels homeless, not bonded to the trainer; or the trainer takes the time to bond with the dog, what results in a lot of money ( time is money ) and the later problem for you to rebond with your own dog.
In both cases your dog will be used to voice, body language, movement, mood of the trainer, and you will need to retrain your own dog, in case you want to make use of the stuff your dog learned later on.
Just think about it...

by hexe on 23 March 2018 - 23:03

I'm not surprised that there's only been a single recommendation given--not because Stefan Schaub is the only reliable, responsible IPO board-and-train individual out there, but rather because it's not the usual route most owners follow, and the disaster experiences outnumber to good ones. I'm betting there aren't too many people on here who have had a good outcome to their forays into the world of board-train-and-title.

Powerflex didn't ask to have his dog titled--just to have the foundation work put into the dog; there's a big difference between starting a dog and finishing a dog. And while I have no doubt that Mr. Schaub would likely provide an equally good experience if hired to take a dog through titling, it's the rare person who is willing to pay what it really costs for the job to be done correctly.

Figure 6 months to take a good green IPO candidate dog to IPO 1--just the cost of boarding along for 180 days would run USD$2,880 [using the bargain boarding rate of $16/day]. Add daily training sessions @ a reduced rate of USD$10 per session, cost of the scorebook, trial entry fees, fees for handling the dog in at least two trials [one for the BH and one for the IPO 1], and any fees for travel and lodging if the trainer can't trial the dog locally...it's not cheap. It's unlikely to cost any less than USD$5000.00, if done right and assuming the dog is well-suited for the work.

It's not without at least a kernel of truth, too, that a good percentage of the dogs whose owners want someone else to train and title them are also dogs that don't exactly ooze drive and fight--their owners too often don't really know what 'a good IPO candidate' looks like, since they generally don't have any experience with the activity. Those dogs tend to be the ones that will need a lot longer than 6 months' of training to be ready to trial for an IPO 1. That's one reason why there are a limited number of GOOD trainers who are even willing to take on board-train-and-title clients.

Try and find someone who will do it for a bargain rate, and you're likely to get what you pay for...it's not the top trainers who are the ones who have lost their clients' dogs, or sold them to someone else, or let them starve to death in their 'care'.

If the only reason a person wants their dog titled is so they can use it for breeding and tout the title as a selling point for the offspring, they'd be further ahead of the game to just purchase a 4 or 5 year old adult dog that's already titled. Check the classifieds--there's bunches of them being imported from Europe by 'flippers' who buy the bitches already bred, let her whelp that litter so they recoup their costs on the mother and then sell her to someone who's only interested having a titled bitch to pump out puppies for them.





 


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