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Jenni. My reference indicating culling as killing was never intended to be personal to you. Only, that there are those who do this type of extreme close linebreeding, intending for that GOOD, need to face what they hope to do, if they instead find a BAD. Often, the worst cases end up UGLY.

To me, the worst could be puppies with defects that would cause unpreventable or untreatable pain and suffering. As much as it pains me to write it, euthanasia might become the best thing for some :-(

Ugliness/non-conforming that did not cause pain or suffering... simply spay/neuter and do not breed. However... each of these puppies still deserves a good home and a good life. The breeder must still vet the potential owner/home.

And who do you propose will find homes for dogs whose tongues can't fit in their mouths? Hypothetical, of course.

This was actually a dachshound I knew. I lost track after the fourth rehoming.

Well now, this has devolved significantly from my original intent. Perhaps I can redirect to acquire some specifics. Thank you to those who have given direct responses.

I am familiar with OFA and common regulatory bodies such as AKC, CKC, etc. I am aware of common diseases and disorders of the GSD. Is there any way to know or find out what fate fell the dogs further back in the lines? What registry or service or site?

I was hoping some breeders would come forth and share specific successes (possibly with frequencies of consistency) or that some honest, brave souls who have dared to chance this tight breeding to come forward to share information so I could know specific subtleties to look for that may reveal future unpleasant surprises based on their failures. Clearly, live pups were born, each with only one head, a tail, and all 4 legs. Their GI tracts and biochemistry /metabolism are working, and they are growing and doing puppy things. The obvious physical traits and aspects all appear normal. That's where small "tells" that only an experienced line breeder would know could be useful. Please and thank you.

First hand experience and information (especially with images) would be appreciated. Theoretical banter, I think has been covered well enough.

Thank you to all who have tried to provide help.

I agree with you to not post name of the breeder or the names of the dogs.

Now to see what may have happened to any offspring look up the name of any back parent that is tightly bred and look at their offspring.  

See if any of then were ever used for anything, any comments about them.

Ok, Beetree. You said "culling means killing" and I had been the one to reference culling as a means of eliminating (or greatly lessening) the chances of passing on detrimental genes so I assumed that was meant toward me. I assure you, I have never killed a puppy!

@Jenni78 Yes, culling means killing to any or others, besides and not you, Jenni 78. Let it be known wide and far! I never, and never would accuse you of such a thought or deed!

@Yaya. Good Luck with your quest.

Beetree, is your life so lacking entertainment and joy that you have to be so very obnoxious so consistently?

Here is the first definition of "cull," by the way:

cull
kəl/Submit
verb
1.
select from a large quantity; obtain from a variety of sources.
"anecdotes culled from Greek and Roman history"
synonyms: select, choose, pick, take, obtain, glean
"anecdotes culled from Greek history"


Culling allows for particular SELECTION. The dispersal of those not selected is up to the individual but MANY breeders effectively "cull" without killing puppies. I realize that with one GSD and one mixed breed under your roof, you are the far and wide expert on all things canine, but I think you're needing a brush-up on your terminology. Cull implies kill to many, because traditionally, in the forming of a breed, many were killed that didn't fit the standard, however, that is not universal and certainly most today sterilize and place rather than slaughter. So, enough with the dramatics.

For many breeders who practise close inbreeding and select which puppies they want to keep the question becomes "what happens to the rest of the litter ?" Do the breeders keep track of them? Mostly, NO. Do they neuter both sexes? NO. Do they run on for the rest of their lives the puppies that have not, in their eyes, made the grade? NO. You have to bear in mind that some diseases appear later in life, for example Epilepsy and DM. Will the breeders accept the responsibility, NO. The usual answer is that it must be from another line other than their own.

Mackenzie

I have to disagree as to what the term "cull" still means and is still practiced by numerous breeders
( I too am in no way implying Jenn that you would ever kill a puppy, in fact quite the opposite we all know you would go above and beyond to save any pup)
And I will also say, I am in no way an expert on the breed. There are far to many issues within the breed that I have been blessed enough to be totally lacking first hand knowledge of .
I 'll say it I experimented with a tight tight tighter than many would dare try.
I did a great deal of research on genetics and breeding practices of many breeds of dogs and than I dove in. , head first
I bred father and daughter. It was a small litter of only 4 pups. I was saying to myself OK, God lookin out only four if any problems. I did this breeding for one hoping to get myself an exceptional dog, be it male or female for myself for future breeding
I had/have several lines so my plan was to outcross the pup I kept down the road and than breed back to the line I was intending to enhance.
All pups were perfectly fine with the exception of one spectacular male. I was more than pleased, and than wouldn't t you know it
Someone came along and offered me more money for him than I could possibly turn down
All pups , well three of the four are great excellent temperaments and conformation One pup was sent to a "poor judgment on my end home',
That's a whole other topic.
After that I didn't t retry it, I have good enough luck with my dogs doing what I been doing
Back to the cull..
Susie will tell you, the Germans still cull/kill pups for no other reason than their color , although I am sure there are other reasons.I just don't know them.
Who knows if they could get dollar wise what these US breeders get for their rare colored dogs they might not meet the bucket brigade..
And there are a great deal of working line dogs that produce the stigma'd colors. but they have been black balled for so long it would be a hard sell for the die hard
" standard" people.
We all know it is not only dogs that are "coming to America" producing faults
There has been more than one poster on this forum over the years that had spoke of culling dogs and they did not mean pet homes.