Another dog abuse PB Fla.Sheriff s Dept - Page 8

If you have to starve a dog for more than 2 days so it will work and save human lives, you've got the wrong dog, period!

Disagree! Although I didn't like the method either, tripwire and mine detection dogs saved countless lives in Vietnam using this method. You don't have to agree with it, but it is a fact.

Am I missing something here ? How does it WORK, exactly, that a starved dog can find an IED, landmine, or tripwire, in situ, better, than it can be taught to identify the scents of the constituent parts of IEDs,mines, tripwires, semtex, or any other explosive device or substance in a decommissioned training situation (whether fed normally or not ?). Please explain the technique.

Training methods evolved and you no longer have to starve dogs in order to get them to do what you want.

We've got dogs with such high food drives they would eat themselves to death. So If you have to starve them to get them to perform, you've got the WRONG DOG! (or the wrong trainer!)

Deacon, let it go!
We were there along with Vet personnel and senior officers and nco's. We just weren't intelligent enough to recognize that the dogs were " starving" as we were training them. Though they appeared quite healthy to us, and didn't show medical contraindications to the onsight veterinarians, you have to value the opinions of folks today over the alleged ignorance of yesterday. Let it go my friend, we were there.Let it go!

i thank you ladies for enlightening us to what we didn't realize.😊

I don't care how they were trained in the past. The past is in the past. I'm talking about the here and now. If in this time and age you resort to starving a detection dog than either you are a shitty trainer that's stuck in the past, or you have a shitty dog. With as high quality of dogs are out there, with an insane amount of food and hunt drive, there should absolutely be no reason to starve a dog for two or more days in order to build a pinpoint indication.

And don't come with the "You have to be a PD trainer for that."

 

No you don't!

We train them on almost a daily basis and our standard for dogs is extremely high. I have yet to have a dog that needs to be starved to pinpoint.

Sarcasm DOES NOT become you, Clifford. Have some back:
Or it might not be about the training, at all. Maybe its about keeping down body weight. So a dog is more expendable than a human ? Maybe that's the big military secret ?
Seems to me there would be a few flaws in that, too (setting aside the differences between techniques and technology, 'then' and 'now').

1. Justify the huge waste of public money in training an explosives detection war-dog, set against the paltry percentage of that which would be spent on feeding said dog properly, if the difference achieved of approx. 3 - 5 kilos isn't enough to 'make the difference'. A dog is still a dog, even when it is a skinny dog. Maybe should have stuck with the giant rats ?

2. Don't most explosive devices work as much on motion as weight ? Even a very skinny dog still disturbs the air.

3. Most of all ... this sort of thinking might just be excusable in a theatre of war, in Afghanistan or somewhere. What is it doing in a local Sheriff's jurisdiction ???

Till now, we have got some interesting observations about starving WITHHOLDING food for 2¹/₂ days every week as a part of advanced military dog training (Superdogs without their undies).

One poster introduces it to us, likes it, endorses it, but doesn’t follow it himself.

Another poster doesn’t like it, but is endorsing it.

Another poster thinks as fasting (voluntarily by the dog) for a day is beneficial, starving withholding food for 2¹/₂ days every week should also be ok.

Another poster thinks fasting for 30+ hours is not harmful, but wouldn’t say a word about starving withholding food for 2¹/₂ days every week (probably due to personal and/or business compulsions?).

Another poster says our relationship with the experienced posters should be like a dog with its owner, total submission without any protest.

Another poster thinks electronic dog door is the solution to all disputes.

(I haven’t named any of the posters, so it’s up to individuals to decide who I am referring to)

 

We are still waiting for some scientific/logical explanations: why it’s necessary to starve withhold food for 2¹/₂ days every week to achieve the training goals? What are the goals? Why those cannot be achieved by feeding the dogs in a more established humane manner?

Edited to add: I haven't got a single PM from posters who support my stance, they are out in the open....

Whatever you ladies say....is fine with me.
@Swarendu....where did I say I Like it, or that I ENDORSED it, if I remember correctly, I think I said I was in the military....just common sense and reasoning dictates that I had neither input nor ability to affect the decisions of training methods or policies. They don't do democracy and righteousness indignation when you disagree,when; IN the military. I did SEE the effects and results and I will not change my reality of that for some Internet posters...sorry.
I appreciate the lessons on abuse and what is appropriate training from the ladies here....I'll take them under consideration.

Gustav, relieved to know that you actually didn't like or endorse the feeding schedule, but went through because "They don't do democracy and righteousness indignation when you disagree." Pages of debate was for no reason at all, everybody is in the same side.

But you "did SEE the effects and results", and novice people like us would still want to learn, why do you think (because you are defending the program from the beginning) it WAS necessary? Cannot the "effects and results" be achieved by feeding the dogs in a more humane manner? Why?