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by Bavarian Wagon on 25 May 2017 - 13:05

I've taken the test.

Also...please refrain from personal attacks on me. I don't appreciate being treated differently on this forum. That was completely unnecessary and has nothing to do with my post. You're clearly trying to attack me and say negative things about what I do and how my dog is. It's not right. I would appreciate someone that has power on this forum to do something about the personal attacks against me. Since I'm not allowed to respond to these personal attacks without being warned, someone else needs to stop people from attacking me and my dog.

But here's a picture of the kind of I have car if you're that interested:

 

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Koots

by Koots on 25 May 2017 - 14:05

How is asking for a pic or vid a personal attack? You are the one who made that analogy, opening the door to that question. Many others have provided pics or vids, myself included, despite knowing that you may make critical assessments, yet we "put it out there". What are your reasons for not posting pics or vids?

by Bavarian Wagon on 25 May 2017 - 14:05

Here's my reason:

Doesn't matter what video goes up....people who don't have the bΔlls to post their own, will act like a dick. Part of the fun of posting is watching the same sore looser, with predicktability, go sideways with hate. Lolol

When this kind of rhetoric is deemed acceptable...why risk putting my videos out there? Oh and by the way...this was a response to a simple question.


Koots

by Koots on 25 May 2017 - 14:05

Then why should anyone, especially those who have been on the receiving end of your criticism, put anything up? Are you that sensitive or insecure about what complete strangers think of you, your training expertise, or your dog? You see, I KNOW that I am not a superstar and that my dog is not perfect and that I look like a total newb/clutz/maroon when on video - heck, I even cringe watching myself - yet I still submit it on here to validate a point or see what others see that maybe I haven't considered. I think of it as an opportunity to have a different perspective put on the work and then perhaps I can learn and improve. ....It also helps to be able to laugh at oneself......I am wayyyyyyy more critical of myself and my work than anyone else could be...so I will put something up and if it receives negatives then so be it.    It also helps to be at a certain age in life that I don't really give a flying fig what strangers think of me...Wink Smile


by Bavarian Wagon on 25 May 2017 - 14:05

It's been proven any amount of criticism isn't allowed. Unless your statement about a video is all rainbows and butterflies you get attacked and sworn at. You get called a loser, you are told you're missing certain parts of your anatomy, and are told you're spewing "hate." So why put up a video if the only thing that you're allowed to say is how amazing the video is and how the dog is definitely capable of higher level work. Criticism isn't allowed here, so there's nothing that anyone here can add to my training because all they're allowed to do is validate the thoughts I'd already have about my dog and his training.

By the way...I didn't even do any criticism of a dog or training, my criticism was about the CONCLUSION being reached/assumed after presenting a very basic video. And even that led me to be on the receiving end of some horrible language. So imagine if I were to even try to give constructive criticism about the actual dog/training the type of language that would come my way.

Koots

by Koots on 25 May 2017 - 15:05

BW - I think that I finally "get you" (see, I told you on another thread that I am a little slow at times, lol). You may correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you are a young person who is passionate about the breed and dog sport, and that you feel others should play by the same "rule book" as you do. I used to be more like that than I care to admit and it probably cost me some friendships. Now, even though I still am passionate about things, I understand that my "rule book" is not followed by all others and I am OK with that. I can try to educate and guide others but also recognize that it is their choice what path they take and that's OK. I also realize that a message is better received if it is delivered in a manner which does not put the receiver in a defensive mindset. Sometimes just a different approach to the delivery will mean your intended meaning will get across much more effectively. After all, there is no such thing as "Team America - IPO Police" (movie reference twist, just so people will not get offended).

by Bavarian Wagon on 25 May 2017 - 15:05

Close…but I actually don’t care that much about what others do. My assumption is that if you’re on a dog forum, you care, but clearly not everyone cares. I may be “newer” to this that some people, but because of my situation, I know a lot more about how things work and I get to see a ton more than most do. Some of the people that constantly call me out for not having experience…I work more dogs in a week than they probably do all month or possibly all year, at the same time I visit multiple clubs monthly and see the differences in training and what the overall state is of IPO in the United States. I also know for a fact that many of the people commenting with their observations haven’t accomplished much, if anything, over the past decade, and still believe they’re somehow “connected” to the GSD/IPO world without ever visiting a club in the past decade or possibly even getting out and meeting with different minded people/clubs to realize that “their way” or “their thoughts” aren’t the only ones out there. Their thoughts are just those that they discuss with their friends who just confirm their beliefs rather than challenge them.

I can see the way the system works and the reasons why the system is broken. Many people just don’t want to hear it and so they think everything I say is false. Truthfully…you yourself are blind to it all as well. You again mention my delivery…go look at the first two pages of this thread, if you still believe my “delivery” deserved the type of response I received…it’s just more proof of what is wrong with the dog world and human nature as a whole.

People want confirmation, not criticism. Those with “experience” speak to others that are like minded in this world. They don’t go out of their way to find a different opinion; they discuss dogs with the people that for decades have had the same ideas/thoughts they have. So if one of those people goes, “this is what’s wrong with IPO” the rest tend to agree and they believe that their little group’s opinion is how everyone else thinks…its human nature. In the case of this thread…look at whose opinions were “accepted.” The opinions that said that everything was amazing and that those are the greatest dogs ever. Anything other than that…it was shot down. Once again, human nature is to just want to hear the positive.

I want people to think critically, to figure out why the system is so broken, why America is the dumping ground for the dogs that Europe doesn’t want. Ever discuss dogs with a German or have a German work your dog? They don’t hold back on the critique or criticism…that doesn’t happen in America for exactly the same reasons you see what happened on this thread. You call me out for not being able to take the criticism yet you lack the ability to see that it’s other’s here that can’t handle a single ounce of it. Unless you’re telling someone how amazing their dog is and how it will definitely accomplish what they want…they don’t want to hear it. It’s funny how the older generation always calls out millennials for not being able to take criticism and always needing participation trophies…yet none can look at themselves and realize that it’s actually them that act in that way.

 

Enjoy your day Koots...you've spelled out why our national breeding program is what it is. Young people are eager, passionate, and get destroyed by the older ones to fall right in line with everything wrong that's happening while still being able to make the money they do off their dogs. Until enough people fight and keep their passion, nothing will change. Unfortunately this thread proves why that is. It's impossible for one to fight the whole entire hoard.


by joanro on 25 May 2017 - 16:05

Perhaps, ffw, the problem is indeed age and inability to relate to people who have had an entire multifacited career and life before any millennials were born...beginning with a stint in the US Army, and self made trainer/performer to hobby training and titling multiple gsd in schh, within this decade. That's over 40 years that I've been training mutiple species, including many different breeds of dogs in many different venues and diciplines...from AKC CD on my Komondor 30 yrs ago to the present gsd titles.

A study of millennials shows the huge differences between them and the Baby Boomer generation, of which I belong. It's doubtful, imo, that a millennial could cope with and succeed in the Boomer era and environment. Being a fighter was imperative for survival in the world I grew up in. So,again, I apologize for responding to unkind remarks.

http://time.com/247/millennials-the-me-me-me-generation/

Millennials are interacting all day but almost entirely through a screen. You've seen them at bars, sitting next to one another and texting. They might look calm, but they're deeply anxious about missing out on something better. Seventy percent of them check their phones every hour, and many experience phantom pocket-vibration syndrome. "They're doing a behavior to reduce their anxiety," says Larry Rosen, a psychology professor at California State University at Dominguez Hills and the author of iDisorder. That constant search for a hit of dopamine ("Someone liked my status update!") reduces creativity. From 1966, when the Torrance Tests of Creative Thinking were first administered, through the mid-1980s, creativity scores in children increased. Then they dropped, falling sharply in 1998. Scores on tests of empathy similarly fell sharply, starting in 2000, likely because of both a lack of face-to-face time and higher degrees of narcissism. Not only do millennials lack the kind of empathy that allows them to feel concerned for others, but they also have trouble even intellectually understanding others' points of view.


by Bavarian Wagon on 25 May 2017 - 16:05

Again...please stop attacking me personally. First, I'm not a millennial. Second your personal attack on a generation of people isn't necessary. Your assumptions are based in nothing except trying to prop up your own abilities and make yourself seem greater than you are while also destroying a generation of people.

Your apology means absolutely nothing to me because of the tone and delivery you constantly take with people on this forum that even slightly criticize or question anything you do. The fact that you resort the the language you do when all that is asked is a simple question is all that I need to know about YOU. Notice how I'm not stretching the way you act to YOUR GENERATION and only to the person that you have proven to be. It's fine that you're protected by the powers that be and also by the people that have had personal/business relationships with you in the past. To me, you're the perfect example of why open sharing of information about dogs and dog training is impossible.

by joanro on 25 May 2017 - 16:05

That post wasn't addressing you, BW. You are not even mentioned in it.





 


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