Coco - Page 5

Fred Falkenbruch and Lord Gleisdreieck do not look similar, not at all, sorry.
I have seen Lord, he had a totally different head shape than Fred, broad and not defined ( typical for a lot of DDR dogs during that time ), besides all the differences in the rest of the conformation. There is still a video online, take a look.

I don´t want to sound picky, but Lord was EAST European Champion, not European Champion.
Unimportant for you living on the other side of the pond, but important for us.

Fred is a distance relative of Lord. I see many similarities mostly in the front body, neck thickness and overall head shape, muzzle shape, you can say the facial features may vary, but it does look somewhat similar, like the eyes; no dog has the exact same facial features. I can note the big head and neck, and chest as the striking similarity. But each to their own I suppose.

Are you sure they don't look alike at all?

To me these are both golden standard GSD faces:

No its not each to their own. There are objective measurable facts.

Susie is a long term breed nerd...not all opinions are equal. Its not the same as arguing the best flavoured ice cream.

Pictures tell no lies... I told you only the front looks similar, definitely not the back. I objectively stated the similarity in neck, chest, etc., so it is objective 'measurements'.

 

Anyway, I said each to their own to avoid an argument, looks like to no avail.

 

To an untrained eye, do you think they would think those two pictures are of two different dogs just from the face alone? Even a trained eye, they look strikingly similar... if you want to keep denying it there's nothing left for me to add. I laid it all out there.

 

To me, they look like literal clones (face-wise), but that's an 'untrained' eye I suppose. Call me ignorant if you wish. Ignorance is bliss.

 

I am curious though, to hear, exactly what, 'objective measurable facts' suggest that they look nothing alike at all! I am very curious for these 'facts', enlighten me.

To an untrained eye all gsd "look similar".

Even experts can totally stumped on two different pics of the same dog.

There is a lot of illusion in stack shots, its technical.

Okay, did you look at those face shots then? Lol. Please enlighten me how they are so vastly different. Feel free to show diagrams and illustrations or just technical details through the two face shots I posted above, and will post again for convenience.

 

 

And I guess I'm not considered an 'untrained' eye then, based off your definition, because not all GSD look similar to me. In fact, I haven't see any others that look so similar than these two (once again, Fred is a distant ancestor of Lord, someone more 'expert' can verify this if I am not credible enough, I don't know if I'm right or wrong, I thought I just followed Lord's pedigree and found Fred). Show me pictures of other GSD's faces that I, as an untrained eye, would find 'similar'.

 

I can't wait to see more pictures (of other GSD faces, that 'all look similar to an untrained eye') for you to show me and all these 'objective measurable facts' that I completely missed!

 

" Even experts can totally stumped on two different pics of the same dog. " So you're questioning the validity of expertise? When you just stated she is an expert 'nerd'? Hmm.

 

" Its not the same as arguing the best flavoured ice cream. " Considering Fred is a distant relative of Lord, I would consider that a similar flavoured ice cream.

 

Susie, " I have seen Lord, he had a totally different head shape than Fred, broad and not defined ( typical for a lot of DDR dogs during that time ) "

Care to explain what you mean by 'broad and undefined' from those two face shots of Lord and Fred? And you say you've seen Lord, but have you seen Fred? Unless you're in your 70's I doubt it. So how can you make an accurate judgement of comparison if you haven't truly seen the other dog you are comparing to, the only reference we can rely on are these pictures, unless you have more to show.

No you just carry on, all good.

Cool beans.

" That is a very rambling post. "

The difference between rambling and a lengthy post is the substance of the post, rambling isn't clear and is all over the place, a lengthy post on the otherhand, makes many different, precise, points. I am not rambling at all. You probably just don't care about the points I made and count it as 'rambling'.

As someone new to the breed, I think you should listen to somebody that has physically touched these, and countless other, dogs. This is just my opinion.

I also think you should study quite a bit longer if you're thinking of breeding. Go to clubs, go to shows, see the dogs of today, get educated on the breed, and if you still think you want to breed after all that, go for it.

I think, though, that shrugging off more experienced people's concerns because you think you know it all already isn't the best way to go. Besides your dog of questionable origins, have you even owned another GSD?

Winnal, it wasn't rocket science--I did a search on the kennel name of Coco's parents, and that led me to the pages for which I posted the links.

Regardless of what those links revealed, I would never hold it against a dog that came from such a situation, nor against an owner who had a dog from such a circumstance.

I will say this: what is shown in the photo I posed here would be sufficient cause for the AKC to put a conditional hold on the registrations of any dog which came out of that operation, in order to consider whether the management of the breeding operation was likely to have been conscientious enough to ensure there was no inadvertent or intentional cross-breeding, and to question the accuracy of the purported parentage of all pups in any litters registered by the operation.

A breeder who had pups conceived amid conditions such as are seem in that picture would be irresponsible to register and sell them as purebred German Shepherd Dogs without having first had the registering organization independently confirm the parentage of the dogs.

If this sounds like it could be applicable to your girl, I'd suggest you contact the AKC now and get the testing started, because results from the test kit you ordered over the counter will not be accepted by the organization--the testing needs to be done using the AKC's protocols.

I still think your Coco is a beautiful dog, but if she did come out of the operation referenced above--even if things were corrected there and everything's fine now--the chances that she's actually a Shepherd/Husky cross have gone from about 2% to a full 98%.