Coco - Page 2

 No Reliya, I meant what I wrote.

She's a beautiful dog, but why should that be enough to support/encourage a dodgy BYBer?

STUNNING dog! Looks super powerful, athletic, efficient, agile, and made for work.

Enjoy her!

I am with Jen - I like her. A good looking dog

According to the GSD breed standard I wouldn´t call her breedworthy, but honestly - a lot of GSDs are not breedworthy - either conformation wise, health wise, or temperament wise - welcome in the club ( a lot of members in there...).

Her conformation or her color doesn´t change her personality - as long as she is a good dog for you she is the perfect dog.

I hope the 2 of you will have a lot of fun together, maybe in IPO, in case not, in something else.
In sport neither conformation nor color are rated...

Keep us updated!

Thanks for the wealth of knowledge, always fascinating to learn about all the features of different breeds! :)

Swarn, we took her in because we were just looking for our first family dog and we decided we wanted a GSD as a working/protection dog and hopefully purebred, and when we saw her in person we instantly fell in love (she was big, big headed, big paws and even at 9 weeks old her ears were completely flopped down not even grown a bit upright yet, which was super cute, but also we thought that meant she would have huge ears when she got older, which she did), at the time her whole coat was 'sable' (very light) with no distinct mask she got later on, we had no idea she would get a 'reversed mask'.

Her father and mother both looked like typical 'sable' GSDs (they showed us the mom, but who knows if it was really the mom, and maybe because the mom was a mix even with a pedigree? Cuz she definitely didn't look like a husky/mix at all to me, but I didn't know all the things I know now, I mean I can't remember all the details of her features, definitely no 'reverse' mask, just a pure light sable and super long-bodied. She was a pretty light sable like Coco while dad was the normal dark sable) so we weren't all that concerned about her being mixed considering we didn't know too much about AKC and pedigrees to begin with (didn't know they could fake it and such, unfortunately).

And they looked like extremely well-breed GSDs at that. We were thoroughly impressed, both of them looked extremely healthy and active and super strong-willed tempered. Mom looked very young, but not too young to breed. Now looking at the pedigree for at least the father's side it turns out to be true, and if the mom's side shows up pure then same with her. Their body shape was perfect working-line (from our 'untrained' eye), extremely lean and tall and long bodied (father was more built and muscular). In fact, I think the mom was the leanest tallest/longest build I've ever seen (I regret not taking a picture or two, I think we might have been too excited...).

But once she started getting the markings and people started commenting we were naturally curious to find out the truth especially if she is officially AKC registered.

Regardless if she is pure we just want to find out if that piece of paper actually means anything.

I guess you're all as curious as I am, even if you guys are quite certain its a mix, I guess the proof is in the pudding! :P

 

Moar pics!

Super cute puppy and beautiful adult. I would have taken her in a heartbeat. Enjoy her!

I have always maintained that she's a beautiful dog. I've never said she's a mutt, wouldn't be least surprised if she turns out to be a purebred.

I did question your choice of the breeder. But now, seeing those cute puppy pics, and also considering your experience, I can understand why. Been there, not a devastatingly bad experience either. Still, my advice would be to stay away from BYBs in future for the sake of our breed.

Ok, I didn't like her mask, but that's a personal preference. No harm will be done until you consider breeding for it, and suddenly there is a craze for "irreversible mask".

Enjoy your dog. 

I know you simply asked about the breeder, but having to talk about them brings up the question of her purity, so I went very in-depth into it. I guess what you're saying is to choose a breeder rather than a dog. Oh well, first time for everything.

I mean, I guess I don't know the "definition" of BYB, but with a registered 'kennel' and AKC registration we thought we were getting her from a 'somewhat' knowledgeable/official breeder not just a BYB. But now knowing about registration fraud we are definitely more aware and vigilant if we ever decide to look for another dog we'll know exactly how to be sure. And I guess where you're coming from is the fact that her pedigree on the mother's side is very lacking in the most recent generations, which is a sign of BYB even if they are 'registered'. So that makes sense. I definitely know how to read a pedigree now (thanks to Sunsilver).

Now I'm a bit confused, so if she does turn out to be pure, for the sake of the breed, just because of her coat/mask she still shouldn't be bred? I thought working-line dogs doesn't matter if the coat is standard, as long as health checks are done and evaluation of dog's temperament (IPO, Schutzhund club, titles) checks out. Am I missing something here?

 

Thanks for the advice!

I think someone got very confused and mixed up puppies. Because that looks a lot like a purebred Siberian Husky. I've seen several just like it from breeders who breed working sled dog Siberians. The color is called wolf grey in Siberians: http://www.huskycolors.com/wolf.html

A BYB (backyard breeder) is someone who's in it just for the money. They do not do health testing, and the only thing that matters to them as far as breeding is that one dog is male and the other female. If they are the same breed, well, that's a plus, but if not, they make up some cute name for the cross, and sell the puppies for as much, if not more money, than a purebred from an ethical breeder.

They will brag about the parents or grandparents being titled, even if it's just a very basic title, and also brag about famous dogs that are too far back in the pedigree to really have much influence.

Re: pics - yeah, I would have fallen for that cute face, too! Love the one where she's got spectacles! It's amazing the changes in colour a sable goes through as it goes from puppy to adult.

OP, I said you shouldn't be breeding​ exclusively for that mask.

Hope I'm clear now...