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by Centurian on 14 March 2017 - 15:03

Swarnedu ... the opposite of Love is not Hate rather it is Resentment. On that note , even a German Shepherd , not thinking it has been treated well can harbour Resentment.

And one step further : Does giving your dog a reward , especially for things it naturally does anyway , such as, sit , down , stand, bite , make the dog love you and so desire to work for YOU ? There is no guarantee that a reward cements relationships . I think if some one's employer valued him/her as much as him/herself, if his/her employer couldn't do enough for him/her in life [ ie fulfills most of all the reasonable needs and desires ] then the average mentally , normal , sound person with not hold feelings of resentment. And most coulnd't do enough for their employer in return.
Nor would a normal sound animal be any different in those respects . Children : you cannot teach a child , raise a child , get them to perform in life , unless they value themselves and unless you demonstrate in action that you care / value them . An animal is no different. You don't think an animal knows , in pure truth , that it is or is not valued and cared for ? Giving a treat reward most often verges on bribery, with no regard to the giver, most often. Their thought is centered on ' getting the reward' and that is based on no thought or feeling of the giver. Ity is just based on " I do what I do for the reward . Using food often is used as a communicating device and that is totally different , not the same as a reward. Try the reward bit on a young child or teenager and I will tell you wth certainty you will have more problems then you realize.

by vk4gsd on 15 March 2017 - 00:03

So you see a dog as a slave that will starve if it does not do your bidding.

I see a dog as a partner that extends my senses of sight, sound, hearing and increases my mobility and offensive capacity.

You think Michael Ellis is wrong, I think Michael Ellis is a genius.

by Centurian on 15 March 2017 - 12:03

VK , thank you for your assessment.

by yogidog on 15 March 2017 - 15:03

This is what u get when youtube is your teacher .

by beetree on 15 March 2017 - 15:03

Yogidog has a point. He has science on his side. High value food = dopamine release reward, something trainers use to teach a behavior.

Just another tool in the box in addition to praise.

The best results for compliance happens when the food reward is not consistent. Mixing it up after the command is learned, in other words, keeps the dog's expectations alive. He knows if he didn't get his favorite food reward this time, he still might get it the next time.


As far as resentment being the opposite of love, maybe sometimes it is a cause of hate, which is a more inclusive emotion.

This NPR study is interesting concerning what dogs will feel and how they react because of those jealousy and resentments.



by Swarnendu on 15 March 2017 - 15:03

Yeah, food as a REWARD, because we aren't ready for Centurian yet!


by yogidog on 15 March 2017 - 17:03

Centurian is one of the few people left on the site that does make sense. What we have now is youtubers book reader's fantasy . People like Bw ,Jenni, and many more dont really bother anymore witch is a pity because these are the people u can learn most from and there are many more .

by BRADY BEE on 15 March 2017 - 18:03


by beetree on 15 March 2017 - 18:03

Interesting assessment. Can't say I would agree with it, but interesting nonetheless.
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by Western Rider on 15 March 2017 - 18:03

One way to keep these people and gain others back is being polite.

You can disagree with someone and NOT be rude and disrespectful.

For that are not rude you can help by ignoring those that are not.  I mean really act like they never posted if they can't rile anyone they will give up or I will take care of them don't be part of the problem.

Another old saying if you have nothing good to say don't say anything.

Again you can have a different point of view just say it politely, nothing makes a topic better than many different ways to do something. No one way works all the time nice to have heard of many to try out.

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