If you had a Magic Wand.... - Page 28

Mithuna, I agree with you on that combination. I never made a point that there weren't dogs or people on the extremes.

A breeder of that type of dog needs to measure his potential buyers as well as the type of dog he breeds that push the limits of the standard, or goes beyond it. That type of breeder should know his market, not just his dogs.

Your dog training skill is/was pet level, and only by continuing with good trainers will you finally gain the savvy to handle the maneaters you like to name drop on, again and again without pills or segregation for certain past mentioned situations. How impressed are we supposed to be with a dog who walks on grates but needs Meds for a vet visit? Not very.

Accomplished dog men and women with talent can do it because of their skill and experience. Your dog type can force you to raise to their level. Or, you adjust to situational management that becomes your lifestyle.

GSD pet owners should seek the lines that match their desired capabilities or lifestyle management preferences, or they need to up their training abilities to match the dog they thought they wanted. What they don't need is the stupid, "Get a Golden retriever" comment as if Goldens never bite, too! And as if owning GSD's, one of the most popular dog breeds ---define their own sense of accomplishment and quest for respect.

The goal of course is for the dog not to be euthanized or abandoned in a shelter. If that happens, then there is a justification to complain how the pet owner failed.

Get a Golden if you want a Golden temperament, I believe is what many say over and over. DON'T change the temperament of another breed into Golden temperament. That's it.

The rest of your post, Beetree, was shockingly dog-related and very good. Kudos. I particularly identified with the "Your dog type can force you to raise to their level." That's what must happen, and that's how people learn to be good handlers. However, that is the very same thing a lot of people just aren't willing or interested in doing, and that's when things tend to end poorly. Those are also the people who would argue in favor of a GSD-looking creature with the temperament of a Golden. Absolutely, the goal is a successful partnership, and a shelter end or euthanization is utter failure on the part of humans...from breeder to trainer to owner.

Beetree
I was not talking about my own dog. She is quite aggressive but I have learned how to handle her. I was referring to another dog I had last summer. I got the dog as an adult , I was even told that I should expect the dog to try to bite me; I was not so concerned about that. However , I was not at all prepared to deal with the dog's actual behavior when it got to my home. Have you ever had a dog deliberately physically push into you  over and over and take food from you against your wishes to give that food to him? My  trainer advised me to return to dog asap because he said the dog was quickly learning my boundaries and I was being set up to be bitten. If it matters the dog was old WGWL blood...Racker, Drigon, Mink, Crok, Eros and Sagus Buscheckerschloss , and some Haus Himpel , Korbelbach and Sthalhammer dogs. He def was extreme but I still think the real working GSD is in that direction.

Mithuna,
If I had that dog as a puppy, that behavior would never have been allowed to become a problem. I don't even claim to be a great trainer. I read all about it when you posted your dog sitting experience over the summer.

I think you are naive thinking your niche of aggression level preference and/or cronies will overtake the standard.

Name dropping names in peds is such a big YAWN, too. Shows off a real newbie-eyed awe.

The dog below was raised, trained, titled by a first time owner of the 'mysterious' working line gsd.

A pup with sound temperament, solid nerves and balanced drives are imperative, and hooking up with a good instructor.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2387364-wallace-v-ron

They traveled from the NE to Tenn for this, the first trial for dog and owner, and won with high score in obedience ( regionals trial), dog was only 19 months old...

http://www.servicedogsofamerica.com/Content/sdaweb/clubs/sequoyah/results11-11-16.html

http://www.servicedogsofamerica.com/Content/sdaweb/clubs/sequoyah/results11-12&13-16.html

New edition ^^ and pic below....

Edit: I was posting this on the tread 'Looking for info about a breeder... I was responding to qmans post over there. 

Bee
So you saying that those old WGWL dogs and lines does not mean anything in the dog's ped?
Yes I agree that if you had the dog as a pup this prob would not have occured. The prob started with the first owners..an elder couple.
There are many dogs that people dont do any training with and the dogs never turn out to be anything extreme. But some dogs have the strong genetic predisposition to be extreme and if they are not managed from young this tendency pushes through.
Was just reading on another forum where Mike Suttle was talking about a KNPV male Mali that he could not break . And he had to settle for a respecful co existence with the dog.

Mithuna,

If you are going to incessantly and reverently name drop dogs of the past, it would be much more impressive to include a telling, "Why". How about if you can impart a personal anecdote, a known behavior or trait they are prepotent for passing along to progeny? Like which dog did you name is well known for impossible housebreaking? Crap like that?

The genes as potential are great stuff, but the other part of a great dog is their master/trainer. Otherwise, we might as well keep wolves if aggression is the singular, high mark goal.

Nice post Joan!👍🏻

Happy New Year, Bee. 

Great post, Joan! Your story is very similar to the story I posted way back in this thread- eager to learn, sensible novice gets nice puppy and does well. :) No one wants to talk about that though- it's either you can't sell a nice puppy to a pet home and have anything good happen, or the opposite extreme. It may be the "exception" as BW would say, but I know it happens a lot more than we hear about.