Muzzle Question for experienced owners - Page 3

Let's look at the facts:

You state yourself that this dog has a civil side, as you wanted a dog you could train for PP.

That means it has a protective side, and could bite someone. You proved that when your dog saw the guy with the guitar case as a threat, and latched on to his arm.

Your dog is NOT trained, and does not yet know how to distinguish a real threat from an ordinary joe just walking by with this SUSPICIOUS looking black thing in his hand.

What other people have said is correct: You have a loaded gun at the end of your leash. Your dog (whether it has good nerves or not so good nerves) is a lawsuit and muzzle order waiting to happen!

DO NOT let this dog run loose on th beach, whether muzzled or not muzzled! As I explained in my post, muzzles are NO GUARANTEE your dog will not hurt someone!! Ever seen a muzzled protection dog flatten a perp that was trying to run away? Do you think the muzzle is going to keep your dog from doing that, if she goes after someone just because she feels they are 'suspicious'?

Your dog does not need to run loose at the beach to become a well-socialized dog. Socialization does not mean the canine free-for-all that you find at most dog-friendly areas. Socialization means you can safely take the dog anywhere, and have it obey you, and not take after people or other dogs.  Monique Anstee, in her Facebook Blog, The Naughty Dogge explains how our obsession with socializing dogs can result in aggression and reactivity.

Dog Reactivity: Are We Creating It?

I think our North American Dog Culture has set us up for dog issues.

We have been taught that dogs need friends, and to be 'socialized' (which has been misunderstood to greeting every random stranger). As the human takes their dog over to every dog, we are teaching them to be dog-obsessed. Walking is really just looking for dog after dog that you go say 'Hi' to.

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If these dogs hit a quirk in the road, where they feel unsure, cheeky, or unaware of how they should act, because they have been taught to always move forwards to dogs, they only have one course of action: Aggression.

I believe that if we teach our dogs to be less dog-focused, most social issues would disappear, or be substantially reduced.

Dogs benefit from having dog friends. But having dog friends is very different than expecting them to hug every dog-stranger that they pass.

Try and make your dog less dog focused, ESPECIALLY if you are seeing social issues in them when they are young.

Monique Anstee
Victoria, BC

Hexe, I cross-posted with you, and we both said a lot of the same things!   

This is one of these people that does not want help and when the dog bites will ask the question why i did everything i could to socialize him hes a very good dog .you don't think its a nerve problem you dont know weather to do pp, ipo it seems to that you are brain dead when it comes to your dog you wont listen to some very knowledgeable people on this site you will never get control of this dog keep answering your questions with your answers and see how far you get you want to to put a muzzle on yourself to shut up and listen i don't mind people fighting their Conner when they know what they are doing .this is one of my pet hates people with on control over their dog but think they have the right to let them run free  with a slogan he wont bite hes just playing

FEAR BITER = In your case I am afraid you will allow your dog to bite. Do you have a pedigree? I will bet that this dog is far less than pure east german blood and your breeder has you convinced that' is just acting according to genetics. You have allowed this to be an excuse for having a dog who will bite someone unprovoked. You will not be happy until it does bite some one. You will be very upset when someone either chases this dog back to your car because they are not afraid of your mistake, or gets a lawyer to take what you thought this dog was going to protect. 

from Webster's  SOCIALIZE; to make social; adjust to or make fit for cooperative group living.2 to adapt or make conform to common needs of a social group. OR  from the ''dogs can do no wrong, fools paradise book of stupid pet tricks''  hey let's go play any where we want on this green planet. I am an American citizen and my poop don't stink

Either control your dog - ON LEASH - or the city/state will control it for you. End of story (for dog, unfortunately). Muzzle does not equal control.

Too bad we don't know the op's real name. That way we all could address them by name in every post. Then when they are taken into court by a dogbite victim the prosecutor will have these threds for evidence of the dog owner's WILLFUL negligence.

Mithuna, you don´t get the point. None of us knows your dog personally, and right now it´s not about "fear" or "civil", it´s about CONTROL..
Right now your dog is an endangerment for society.
We talked about her before ( not once, but twice ), and almost all of us came to the conclusion that you need to TRAIN her ( no matter which character ).

I love civil dogs, but I am always aware that I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING the dog does, so it´s up to YOU now. YOU are responsible for your dog.
No court on earth will understand, why you wanted to "develop" the instincts of your dog.

You wrote you are a father ( am I right? ) - in case any dog would attack or "frighten only" your own child - what would you do? This is no fun.

And I thought the op was a female based on the tone of the arguments :(

many years ago there was a magazine called "Dog Sport Magazine''. In one issue there was a cartoon  of a camping scene. It showed a small tent with a large bear pulling a person by the arm, out the ripped opened back of the tent. The caption said '' Henry!  Don't worry! that type of bear never bites full, only shallow- shakey grips''.  I guess if an untrained dog bites an innocent person for all the right reasons we should not care.

Here is the cheeky girl from  this post , chilling out ( OFF LEASH ) on our family bed this evening before her walk..( and it will be ON LEASH  ).