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Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 05 December 2014 - 18:12

Nan, you can see it in the elbow x-rays; the hips are just posted....just because, I guess :)  It's only in the long bones of each front leg at this point. Of course, we know it may relocate...


bubbabooboo

by bubbabooboo on 05 December 2014 - 23:12

Dogs with pano can show nothing on x-rays .. if you x-rayed 100 immature GSD dogs probably some would show inflamation without pano and pano without inflamation .. then some would show both or neither could be diagnosed.  Pano may have something to do with hips as it expressed as long bone tenderness and is involved with bone growth and density.  We can safely guess pano in a multifactorial syndrome (incomplete penetrance) and hips are also multifactorial so pano and hip dysplasia could involve some of the same genes and most likely do.  Both hip dysplasia and pano are likely partially influenced or triggered by environment.  If you read the materials and methods of almost all of the hip dysplasia trials the researchers use a line of Labrador Retrievers or another breed type bred to display hip dysplasia.  In many of those same trials the labrador retrievers are fed dry kibble and are given less than ideal exercise regimes during their lives.  I would pay money to see a trial with those same hip dysplasia prone Labrador retreivers in which the puppies were fed a raw diet versus "ol Roy" and split into groups given free exercise 24/7/365 versus limited to little exercise.  Of course no researcher in his right mind will do the study because the dog food companies would black list him/her forever if the results showed that raw food or raw food diet plus exercise produced better hip scores than high carbohydrate or high carbohydrate plus exercise.  There would be reasons found to not publish the results because results that kill grant money are not good results.  Can you imagine the expense if the dog food companies had to prove their food was as good as a natural raw food diet.  Believe me they are very happy to blame every disease and syndrome on genetics and say environment does not matter.


by Nans gsd on 06 December 2014 - 01:12

At Bubba:  You can bet there is most definitely a link to HD/ED/pano and diets;  what they might be is so variable it would be no good to any of us.  What works for your dogs may not work for other dogs and vice versa.  Very contradictory information out there which proves the dog food companies along with the general public  knows nothing about either.  Soooooo that said bet you can tell I really have no faith in our system or lack thereof  trying to find out what works best for what breed of dogs and at whatever age.  That said I just wished someone would complete a single study, any study, nutrition, auto immune, bloat, HD/ED causes without the end results going down the crapper a few years later and changing the complete protocol of each study.  Just does not work for our dogs and their futures particularly for health IMPROVEMENTS as well as structural/temperament/working abilities of our dogs.  Good health is essential to our breed and their offspring as well as the future of the breed.  Nan






 


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