Did any Working Line dogs compete? - Page 3

Now that you guys mentioned Universal Sieger than I will try to research that angle......

Sarah,

The dogs you are looking for are out there. You just have to find the breeders that are producing them and talk to them. None are on the internet.

The dog you are describing is the Universal concept. There is the Universal competition here in the US that selects a team to go to the WUSV World Championship.

Their views are very different than the opinions you will find written here. You just have to know where to look to find your answers.

Ibrahim, yes, Bomber is a working line dog, and is very popular due to his V conformation.

Smiley:

Lastly, for the life I me..I still don't get the double handling. I swear to Gosh I want to bash bats over the people screaming and hooting and running around the ring. What the hell? I have been to tons of dog shows and only in the GSD do I see this outrageous behavior. It annoys the crap out of me. I mean...the dogs can't even demonstrate true movement with all the yapping.

I agree, 100%! They used to do this in the CKC and AKC conformation ring, but now it's been banned, though you can still stand at the end of the ring, waving a toy during part of the evaluation.

They just pull on tight leashes which hides a lot.

LOL! That's the whole point...

I have a question for those who are more familiar with SV conformation shows. Doesn't the dog have to show loose leash gaiting at some point? Or does that depend on the individual judge?

As fas as I know doubling has been banned at AKC shows forever. It is seen at independent AKC specialties, never to the degree it is practiced at SV shows. I don't know that doubling is intended to try to hide gaiting faults as much as it is intended to keep the dog alert and pulling out to the end of the lead which is the traditional way that GDS's are exhibited in Germany. To an AKC person (like me) it seems ridiculous, but to SV breeders and judges it is the traditional way to show a GSD and not likely to change anytime soon.

SV judges are not stupid, they can recognize a poor mover even if it is pulling out to the end of the lead following it's doubler. IMO that method of handling hides nothing and stops the dog from moving as well as it would on a loose lead. A tight lead really throws off the front movement, most dogs will not be able to move out at full extension if restricted with a tight lead unless Usain Bolt is on the other end of the lead. 

Blitzen, at the Canadian Nationals this year, the owners were allowed to stand at the end of the arena with a toy, etc. at the very end of the judge's evaluation. The dog was permitted to gait towards the person, then exit the ring when they reached them.

So, still double handling but in a form that isn't going to distract the other competitors.

Smiley: "Hmmm. I just don't understand why a breeder wouldn't want to do conformation and working events simulatneously. I know that I showed my bitch in conformation and worked her on IPO field. It just made sense to me."

The breeders and owners at least over here ( yes, I am German ) have to do both, otherwise no breeding... every dog we breed was shown AND trialed in the forefield.
You asked about the Siegershow, that´s totally different.
In case you want to take part on the German Siegershow in September 2015 with your dog you need to start show training your dog twice a week at least in December, once or twice the week condition training, too, cause you need to show the dog during 2015 several times, starting in March.  The Siegershow judge wants to see the dog at least twice in the forefield of the Show, and that´s not always "just around the corner".
During the same time you have to title your dog ( adult dog class males = IPO3, otherwise a bad result ) and you need to breed survey your dog.
That said we are talking about show training 4 times the week for 10 months on the row, with 3 - 6 show Sundays during the season, the other days are for IPO/breed survey training....

The working line folks don´t like this, they concentrate on points, not on Siegershow ratings...

"Double handling - pulling"

There is a big difference between "pulling" and "gaiting concentrated"....believe me, every judge is able to see the difference...
A "pulling" dog has no chance.

There is an off leash phase in the adult dog class, and the better judges even ask on the smaller shows every dog/handler team to move towards/away without "pulling", no matter which age.

Good to know, Susie!

There's a word you're using that I don't understand. What is the 'forefield'? That's obviously a word that doesn't translate well from German to English, but if you explain what it means, I'm sure we can come up with an English equivalent.

I think she meant local show and local trial before going to the sieger show which is national

"Prior to" breeding, but "prior to" the Siegershow, too.

Sorry 

Maybe it´s easier to understand this way:

A dogs needs to achieve its ( IPO ) title, a show rating, and a breed survey prior to breeding, but it´s fine to participate on a local show or trial.
On the "Siegershow" the best looking dogs are entered, whereas on the "Siegerprüfung" the best working dogs are entered.

Personally I love the "Universal idea", dogs participating in BOTH events -
good working dogs looking good enough to compete in the show ring /
showline beauties able to participate successful on National trials.

There are some, but there could be way more if owners/breeders/handlers were interested  - that´s the way to go.