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Mindhunt

by Mindhunt on 05 October 2014 - 09:10

There are 5 strains of Ebola: Zaire (1976), Sudan (1976), Reston (1989), Cote d'Ivoire or Tai Forest (1994), Bundibugyo (2007).  Reston was the only strain that was airborne and only if you were a monkey.  The rest are transmitted by body fluid contact with mucous membranes from an infected person showing very distinctive signs of infection that emerge 2-21 days after infection.  You can only get infected from another infected person SHOWING symptoms of the disease.  Lets dispel some ridiculous rumors:

#1 America has patents on several strains - Bull pucky, there are no patents on any of the strains

#2 It is possible to "catch" Ebola by being in the vicinity of an infected person because it may be airborne - again bull pucky

#3 US holds the patent on the cure for Ebola - need I say it again, US holds one patent and that is on ZMAPP which worked for a small number of infected people, Canada and UK along with a couple other countries with vaccines that have helps some.  There is no cure.

The symptoms of Ebola are hard to mistake for anything else and only an infected person showing symptoms is contagious.

Is Ebola dangerous?  Hell yes, but let's all take a deep breath and be realistic about it.  As a former HAZMAT tech who's area of research on CBRNE (what weapons of mass destruction are designated as), my part was the B or Biological weapons.  Common sense precautions such as hand washing, trusting your gut, not being close enough to make contact with body fluids and so on.  I attended terrorism conferences that included bioweapons and emerging biologial agents, many of the conferences included education by USAMRIID's Col Franz DVM, and later by Col Eitzen Jr, MD MPH. 


Red Sable

by Red Sable on 05 October 2014 - 10:10

 

 

From another aticle, however, the llink to the patent I posted last.

 

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The US Government is so interested in Human Ebola Viruses (various strains) that they secured a patent on the viruses, various mutations, testing, treatments, and reproduction of the viruses. The US Pub No: US 2012/0251502 A1 was issued Oct. 4, 2012. The CDC is also concerned with Lassa Fever Virus from West Africa. Though less fatal than Ebola, it is much easier to transmit from very fine air droplets. This raises the increase of serious risk for health care workers in West Africa, if a patient has both viruses. Because it is the most common hemorrhagic fever, and is also a biodefense Category A. This virus and reproduction of it has a patent by The Administrators of the Tulane Educational Fund. Patent EP2478103A2-Lassa virus-like particles and methods of production thereof (July, 25, 2012).

USAMRIID has also proven in studies of Ebola that it quite infectious via the airborne in animals and has already crossed species from animals to different animals and then to humans in West Africa,http://vet.sagepub.com/content/50/3/514.long .

Here is a Google link for the US Patent Office information on the patent issued to the United States Government for Human Ebola Virus Species and Compositions and Methods Thereof mentioned in the paragraphs above. This is not theory of any kind, conspiracy or otherwise. This is fact."

 

http://www.google.com/patents/US20120251502

 

 


Red Sable

by Red Sable on 05 October 2014 - 10:10

 

 

It is possible to "catch" Ebola by being in the vicinity of an infected person because it may be airborne - again bull pucky

 

Says who?  You?  The CDC has just said it may be possible.


GSD Lineage

by GSD Lineage on 05 October 2014 - 11:10

http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/658190-fears-grow-of-ebola-spreading-to-europe.html
A member of Doctors Without Borders (MSF) wearing protective gear walks outside the isolation ward of the Donka Hospital. AFP Photo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease#Transmission

Transmission
Human-to-human transmission can occur via direct contact with blood or bodily fluids from an infected person (including embalming of an infected dead person) or by contact with objects contaminated by the virus, particularly needles and syringes.[17] Other body fluids with ebola virus include saliva, mucus, vomit, feces, sweat, tears, breast milk, urine, and semen. Entry points include the nose, mouth, eyes, or open wounds, cuts and abrasions. [18] The potential for widespread EVD infections is considered low as the disease is only spread by direct contact with the secretions from someone who is showing signs of infection.[17] The symptoms limit a person's ability to spread the disease as they are often too sick to travel.[19] Because dead bodies are still infectious, local traditional burial rituals may spread the disease.[20] Nearly two thirds of the cases of Ebola in Guinea during the 2014 outbreak are believed to be due to burial practices.[21] Semen may be infectious in survivors for up to 3 months.[22] The initial infection is believed to occur after ebola virus is transmitted to a human by contact with an infected animal's body fluids.

A primary reasons for spread is that the health systems in the part of Africa where the disease occurs function poorly.[24] Medical workers who do not wear appropriate protective clothing may contract the disease.[25] Hospital-acquired transmission has occurred in African countries due to the reuse of needles and lack of universal precautions.[26][27] Some healthcare centers caring for people with the disease do not have running water.[22]

Airborne transmission has not been documented during EVD outbreaks.[2] They are, however, infectious as breathable 0.8– to 1.2-μm laboratory-generated droplets.[28] 

Bats drop partially eaten fruits and pulp, then land mammals such as gorillas and duikers feed on these fallen fruits. This chain of events forms a possible indirect means of transmission from the natural host to animal populations, which has led to research towards viral shedding in the saliva of bats. Fruit production, animal behavior, and other factors vary at different times and places that may trigger outbreaks among animal populations.[30]

Bats are considered the most likely natural reservoir of the EBOV. Plants, arthropods, and birds were also considered.[1][32]


GSD Lineage

by GSD Lineage on 05 October 2014 - 11:10

Better Quality Videos
https://youtu.be/jTF7i6OBGQk

Fighting To Contain Sierra Leone's Ebola Epidemic


by joanro on 05 October 2014 - 12:10

Lots of links to information I already read, but not one answer to my question. I'm pretty sure it's because it can't be googled. The answer is being kept quiet, probly to prevent mass panick.

GSD Lineage

by GSD Lineage on 05 October 2014 - 13:10

Joanro, the answers are there.

How did doctors and other caregivers get Ebola when they were wearing hazmatt gear if Ebola cannot be contracted casually or airborne?
A. Handling of patients thought to have other conditions, in one case a woman's miscarriage infected a team of doctors / nurses trying to help her.
B. The suits scare the poeple away ( Sick and Healthy) while others in Hazmatt suits have been attacked by suspicious villagers, so many opt to not wear the suit.
C. Ebola victims tend to be bleeding/vomiting/and having diarrea .... Fluids everywhere...
D. People going to funerals touch their dead to say goodbye.
E. Some people are dying outside hospital gates, the streets can be infected.

Those are the most likely posibilities. The latest news from WHO said 20,000 are expected to become infected.

Here a is a young man who has soiled himself and can hardly stand is 
waiting to be admited to a hospital as family move about him and offer water.

Ebola Virus Outbreak 2014: Dying at the Hospital Door | The New York Times




The US is sending troops. How did doctors and other caregivers get Ebola when they were wearing hazmatt gear if Ebola cannot be contracted casually or airborne? How did Nancy Snyderman's photographer get Ebola when they double covered him in gear? Anyone think the troops are going to be safe and not contract Ebola, when the doctors are not safe?


by joanro on 05 October 2014 - 15:10

Thank you gsdlineage. If the care givers are opting out of protective gear, then it is even more likely the troops will not be safe either. Drs should be smart enough to suspect Ebola with EVERY patient, especially a pregnant woman, as fluids are expressed under normal conditions. It all amounts to the spread of ebloa is eminant and under those conditions ( not using protection that is available) is unstoppable. Like all endemics, it will play it's self out after, after, after......

rtdmmcintyre

by rtdmmcintyre on 05 October 2014 - 15:10

a lot of the things they say are contradictory.  Not contagious unless a person is showing symptoms.  Yet these Dr.s seem to have contracted it from patients who weren't showing symptoms.

 

As well as some of the individuals they have no idea how they contracted the virus.  Yet they are telling everyone only through direct contact with bodily fluids.  I know when someone sneezes in my face, get their blood sweat or anything else on me.  And I think in those situations I would be all the more aware if something happened.

 


Mountain Lion

by Mountain Lion on 05 October 2014 - 15:10

It certainly appears to me that they don't know the full cycle of how Ebola is spread. There are numerous conflicting reports. So why would they transfer someone who had Ebola and got sick again to Worcester MA? It's the 2nd largest city in New England.

Until they know the full details or develope a stable cure, why not treat these patients in a rural area?






 


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