Sable vs Saddle Back - Page 2

He's also not a WGSL.  I assumed the OP was referring to WGSL by "Red/Black" dog.

Not intentionally referring to WGSL (guessing that means West German Show Line) just referencing color and size in general. I have another member of our SchH club who is in the beginning of his search for a new pup. He got into this sport a few years back, looking for something to do with his current dog, a rescue, and recent physical/medical issues have risen in the dog. He is trying to go down the road of looking for the 'normal/recognizable' look and is getting frustrated as he can not find parents with both the color and drive he feels will give him the success he wants in the sport. His hunt is what got me thinking about this agian.

Probably b/c sable is the dominant color.  Color really doesn't have anything to do with drive and temperament, other than WGSL being like 99% black and red, but they often lack the drive, nerve, and/or courage because of generations of selected breeding, not their color.  I've seen a lot of black and tan working lines.

Not to derail this thread..sorry....but if one wanted to look for a black & red dog that can work, where would one look?

If you mean a show line, look at dogs that have proven they CAN and breeders who are actually doing it.

Perfect example of a dog that is Black & Red/Tan that has proven himself at high levels on the Sch field is my friend Dan's dog.

The dog's name is Chuck vom Dorneburger Bach.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=495824-chuck-vom-dorneburger-bach

northwodsGSD you can look for example here:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=583599-griff-v-temar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmRic3aYxFc

or here:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=570090-ballack-zur-worringer-rheinaue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWi5K34hVY

SEEOFRED - Thanks for the links. Ballack was Okay, he seemed to lack power in his secondary obedience BUT that could be (in my humble opinion) because he looks like he was trained with heavy compulsion/avoidance. Also, his grips are not full, i am one of those that believe grips are genetic, i get this snip it of the video the helper is locking up which could lead the dog to believe its time to out (agian my opinion, is bad training), but i noticed this gap in a lot of the bite work. I think the helper really aided the dog on the re-attack by feeding the sleeve to the dog to help show a better grip.