Apparently the truth is VERBOTEN in the WDA? Questions about eligibility . - Page 5

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I fully expect the GSDCA to offer a realistic and credible Working Dog Sport Organization within its ranks. I also expect to see a continuance of the German Style shows. That being said, it will not be an easy transition for many of the devotees in the parent club. Many, if not most,  have all believed the German Lines and international training activities were a direct conflict for them and their belief that their version of the breed was the only way to go. That being said, many of them have learned the error of their ways  by watching the the numbers of entries in their shows fall precipitously while the numbers in the International Shows being held in this country grow by leaps and bounds.  Many of them, at least those with a sense of reality, know that there must be changes in the wind that even the most devoted and blind-eye American Show Line person should take a look at what is really in the offing.  Most have to wonder why the rest of German Shepherd Dog world demands a different dog than the American Show Line people offer.

Many in the regional clubs have frowned on the International Standard Dogs for years. The have ridiculed them with a feverish fervor and have given the same treatment to the owners of World Standard animals who try to join their clubs and participate in the various Conformation and Training Aspects offered by AKC affiliated clubs.  I really believe a new day has dawned.  Many die-hard AKC types have accepted the reality that the World Standard is taking the breed by storm and leaving them and their rendition of the breed in its wake. They must realize the demand for puppies from World Standard dogs has far outpaced the demands for those from American Lines. In like manner, the realized prices commanded for the World Standard dog puts the American Lines to shame and this my brethren is what will really drive the change.  The love of money is the root of all evil and it is the controlling factor that will drive the change for even the most dedicated American Line Breeder. Cash will move more breeders to  producing animals in compliance with the World Standard. It will not happen overnight but will happen sooner than some think and sooner than the opponents might want..

Don't believe it, not buying it. I've heard this song and dance for 20 years.   Martin Goldfarb's BSZS VA2 dog was placed second to a ASL dog by AKC judge Lew Bunch.  So much for all that.

Regardless.  Change happens very slowly.  Before GSDCA can even begin to move forward, they have to remove the current WDA.  Not as easy as some would like to think/say.  Its already in the courts and GSDCA has lost it's first legal test.  Important because it is precedent setting.  WDA has the right to run all the events that they have been running.  WDA has the right to continue to work with the WUSV.  None of this can be said for the NWDA (New WDA).  GSDCA can create this new subcommittee but it can't do anything.  The WUSV does not yet recognize it (they might some day but haven't yet).  WDA has the right to continue to host the IPO trials, the NASS, the Nationals, the Universal Sieger/Siegrin Championship,  More importantly is that they have got a court to order GSDCA to stay out of WDA's running of these events. 

Nothing will change in the short term.  It's going through the court system and there is a lot going on behind the scenes right now. 

Bottom line is GSDCA threatened legal action, WDA beat them at that venue so far but now the Court is in control.  Not WDA not GSDCA.  Once you start in Court the Court decides everything.  So either the two sides kiss and make up or the Court will decide for them.  And nothing in the legal system moves fast.

Actually the ONLY item ruled on in the CO court last month was that the WDA could run the Joint Qualification Trial.  The judge ruled in the WDA's favor, not because she felt that the WDA could do a better job, but that rather they have run the event in the past and until ALL of the other items in the lawsuit are resolved, the WDA could run the event as it was scheduled.

Next month the other items in the lawsuit will be reviewed by the court.

LOL.  You keep telling yourself that it will be decided next month.  I'd like to place a bet on it.

Never said WDA did a better job at running the qualifier.  The get to run it because they always have.  Precedent setting.  What do you think is going to be different for the NASS?  or any of the other events that they run? Precedent setting and in line with why an injunction is granted in the first place.

Why no comment about Goldfarb's dog?  VA2 taking second place to ASL.  If that isn't GSDCA sending a statement then I don't know what is.

bzcz I did not say it would be decided next month, I said it would be reviewed by the court next month.  Reviewed does not mean that a decision will be reached on that day on all points.

The GSDCA is not contesting the WDA's running of NASS or any other events that are currently scheduled.  What I do find interesting is on the single page of the NASS website, there are logos for the WDA, SV and WUSV but none for the GSDCA.  When I looked at the WUSV website this morning I did not see the WDA listed as a WUSV member.  So my question is, that since on the NASS website they are not showing any affiliation with the GSDCA, how can they use the WUSV logo when WDA is not a WUSV member?

Regarding Morton's dog, you know as well as anyone that any dog can be beaten on any day.  Was Nino out of coat, was he tired, or did he just not fire on that day.  I have no idea how Nino looked that day or how the dog that beat him looked.  What was the name of the dog that was placed ahead of him?

ASL and GSL totally different animals. I don't think that anything can be read into an ASL placing ahead of a GSL in an Am. show, other than Dr. Goldfarb obviously didn't try to use his position to influence the show.

@cmandela, all the issues won't be reviewed by the court next month either.   that would be called a hearing for each side to present their side of the issues to the court.  No way it moves that fast.  This will be dragged   out for awhile yet. Care to bet on that?

Regarding your second paragraph about the missing GSDCA logo, when has it ever been there? I did a quick search online and went back to 2003 and I didn't find it on any event website. Which makes sense when you think about it.  WDA was created because GSDCA couldn't put their names on these events. So it has always been WDA on the websites.  Now all of a sudden you want to make up some make believe hidden meaning to what has been the norm for years.  Making something out of nothing seems to be a theme today.  

I just went and looked at my wife's jacket from 2001 when she was on the team of competitors that GSDCA invited  to put on a demonstration sch trial at the GSDCA specialty show and guess what?  No GSDCA logo there either!

Don't know and don't care the name of the dog who beat him.  Part of competing is knowing what the judge is saying.

@ilmd, and isn't that sad that the two dogs are completely different animals?  Let's see a class of all one type of dog and one individual who doesn't fit with the rest of the class.  This animal doesn't follow the type so either he's right or the rest are right and he's wrong.  Means he goes to the top or the bottom of the class.  Judge makes a statement because he can't put him at the bottom. This dog is second in the world.  But he refuses to make him top as well. This is his statement. Judge recognized that he is second in the world but for the judge he is wrong type.  So he puts his type in first and gives other dog a second as a way of saying that even though he is tops jn the world, he doesn't meet the GSDCA standard.  Putting him first would have sent the wrong message. That the GSDCA type is inferior to the WUSV standard.  Can't have that.  

Every one keeps tooting the horn of change but when an incident happens that refutes that horn, you want to ignore it or explain It away. Which is precisely why things will never change.

New info posted on the GSDCA-WDA website regarding judges. GSDCA-WDA cannot judge at other trials without prior approval. Here's the link; http://gsdca-wda.org/asp/judges.aspx

Considering the position the WDA is in. They do have their own judges. Performance judges from both the US and Canada. They only rely on the SV for conformation judges. If the WDA had to go it alone. They could pull it off by adding a few judges from within. They have the resources, just put something on paper to outline the program and select a few to be judges and start the program. They would be self sufficient and really wouldn't need any affiliation although the GSDCA part of the name would be a little out of place.

Would titles awarded by WDA judges be recognized by the SV?  Would they count toward a Breed Survey?

bzcz you will get no argument frrom me as to the dog GSDCA has produced. As far as a personal opinion, won't it pretty much come down to what the members/ member clubs of WDA do. They will either stick with WDA, go with the new "improved" GSDCA (and I do not say "improved" seriously) or switch to UScA.

All this remains to be seen.