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by ddr gsd on 26 December 2013 - 13:12
A KNPV Mali (Bouvier, etc.) person can chime in also.
by ddr gsd on 26 December 2013 - 13:12
Hired Dog - I appreciate your comments.
Have you seen Caro progeny?
With Caro's KNPV titles, do you
think his progeny has POTENTIAL,
given the female a hypothetical balance
of genetic influence (I mean were
talking Caro here, I don't believe he
will mate to ANY female!) traits in IPO,
SAR, and so forth?
Yes, I know training is VERY important
in maintaining potential.
I am trying to go back to my original
question.
Have you seen Caro progeny?
With Caro's KNPV titles, do you
think his progeny has POTENTIAL,
given the female a hypothetical balance
of genetic influence (I mean were
talking Caro here, I don't believe he
will mate to ANY female!) traits in IPO,
SAR, and so forth?
Yes, I know training is VERY important
in maintaining potential.
I am trying to go back to my original
question.
by neuen Polizei on 26 December 2013 - 14:12
The only site I see this dog having the VA is on this site, or sites linking to his pedigree here. I seen one breeder say he was V rated while working-dog.eu has him with an SG as does another.
As for the videos I seen. They weren't really testing how sharp he was or his willingness to bite outside of equipment. I'm not doubting either, but the bite suit was visible and he was in a training environment that he knows. Many sharp dogs will become comfortable in a routine environment and default to more of a prey oriented work once the equipment is out.
Personally, I like the dog. I don't think his titles themselves do anything for the progeny. Take away the titles and this dog will produce the same. The titles simply prove that the dog was physically and mentally capable of the work.
As for the videos I seen. They weren't really testing how sharp he was or his willingness to bite outside of equipment. I'm not doubting either, but the bite suit was visible and he was in a training environment that he knows. Many sharp dogs will become comfortable in a routine environment and default to more of a prey oriented work once the equipment is out.
Personally, I like the dog. I don't think his titles themselves do anything for the progeny. Take away the titles and this dog will produce the same. The titles simply prove that the dog was physically and mentally capable of the work.
by ddr gsd on 26 December 2013 - 14:12
Thanks (New Police?). It would be very interesting to pick your brain if you
were/are with the Police Dept. and a handler.
Anyway, yes titles are subjective to a consumer, but personally, I will take
a titled dog any day for being mentally and being physically stable. All
training is very repetitious and in the training field you simulate your
objectives for a desired goal. It is a good thing.
I wouldn't want to go through my physician if he didn't have the
desired credentials.
If Caro didnt have titles, we wouldn't be talking about him.
Sharpness is one of those terms we use that has a degree of certainty.
It is a good thing.
PDB is known to throw skewed titles and pedigree's .
were/are with the Police Dept. and a handler.
Anyway, yes titles are subjective to a consumer, but personally, I will take
a titled dog any day for being mentally and being physically stable. All
training is very repetitious and in the training field you simulate your
objectives for a desired goal. It is a good thing.
I wouldn't want to go through my physician if he didn't have the
desired credentials.
If Caro didnt have titles, we wouldn't be talking about him.
Sharpness is one of those terms we use that has a degree of certainty.
It is a good thing.
PDB is known to throw skewed titles and pedigree's .
by Hired Dog on 26 December 2013 - 18:12
DDR, I have not seen any of his progeny, no, but, what always amazed me is the fact that people are so very willing to breed to a dog simply because it holds a title.
The "latest flavor" is what everyone lines up to breed to without knowing if that dog can produce or not. In my mind, if I liked Caro or Oscar or Joe, I would find the best female I can and breed to Caro's or Oscar's FATHER who produced that dog...makes more sense, yes?
The KNPV and the NVBK are both breeding great dogs and are thriving because they care about ONE thing...a working dog, period. No papers, no WUSVs no FCIs no WDAs, none of that, simply a working dog that can prove its worth in ring or the street.
The "latest flavor" is what everyone lines up to breed to without knowing if that dog can produce or not. In my mind, if I liked Caro or Oscar or Joe, I would find the best female I can and breed to Caro's or Oscar's FATHER who produced that dog...makes more sense, yes?
The KNPV and the NVBK are both breeding great dogs and are thriving because they care about ONE thing...a working dog, period. No papers, no WUSVs no FCIs no WDAs, none of that, simply a working dog that can prove its worth in ring or the street.
by ddr gsd on 26 December 2013 - 19:12
I have no qualms about the workability of KNPV and/or NVBK lines.
In fact, this post is all about KNPV, Ph1 & 2 titles!?
'Flavor of The Month' is a cliche with no real meaning behind it. It
attempts to disintegrate a constructive dialogue. With that being said,
the biggest names you have: Tom Van't Leef'hof, Orry, etc were the
go-to-guys in the prime of their life. You see line-breeding to these
prepotent lines.
Likewise, Mali's have some BIG names behind their successful progeny.
We have FR 1, 2 & 3 which are titles. I am not sure how you would
determine the value of a 'street' dog. If it is police dog you are talking about,
they would have to go through strenuous training which will determine
suitability. Is that a title? I mean (sarcastically), some breeders only require a
BH before they breed their wonderful female sans further testing.
Have you bred a dog without a title?
HD, I think at the end-of-the-day were both talking about the same thing, workability!
I'm still hoping someone would chime in on Caro progeny.
I have never considered a dog without some sort of formal DNA parentage.
I know we have 'Dutchies' or MB who have excelled in this area. In fact, I
mentioned one on my beginning post.
In fact, this post is all about KNPV, Ph1 & 2 titles!?
'Flavor of The Month' is a cliche with no real meaning behind it. It
attempts to disintegrate a constructive dialogue. With that being said,
the biggest names you have: Tom Van't Leef'hof, Orry, etc were the
go-to-guys in the prime of their life. You see line-breeding to these
prepotent lines.
Likewise, Mali's have some BIG names behind their successful progeny.
We have FR 1, 2 & 3 which are titles. I am not sure how you would
determine the value of a 'street' dog. If it is police dog you are talking about,
they would have to go through strenuous training which will determine
suitability. Is that a title? I mean (sarcastically), some breeders only require a
BH before they breed their wonderful female sans further testing.
Have you bred a dog without a title?
HD, I think at the end-of-the-day were both talking about the same thing, workability!
I'm still hoping someone would chime in on Caro progeny.
I have never considered a dog without some sort of formal DNA parentage.
I know we have 'Dutchies' or MB who have excelled in this area. In fact, I
mentioned one on my beginning post.
by bebo on 26 December 2013 - 20:12
caro offspring is still pretty young. if you contact frank, you'll probably get some pretty useful info. he's quite helpful, forthcoming, and tends to keep pretty close track of his grand-offspring as well.
by ddr gsd on 26 December 2013 - 20:12
Thank you bebo, message in, message out.
by ddr gsd on 26 December 2013 - 21:12
Inox Vom Haus Ming, KNPV - PH2, another excellent specimen!
by bebo on 26 December 2013 - 21:12
if you like inox, you got to love lubeck. i think rekers' still have him.
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